Wayne LaPierre dreads a Hillary win in 2008

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From www.newsmax.com Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association defines why he dreads the thought of Hillary Clinton in the White House.

It is clear that gunowners cannot ever let Clinton ever occupy the White House, if the Second Amendment is to survive.


Wayne LaPierre Dreads A Hillary Presidency
Dave Eberhart, NewsMax.com
Wednesday, May 10, 2006

FAIRFAX, Va. -- Wayne LaPierre, executive vice-president of the National Rifle Association, tells NewsMax that the United Nations is dead set on writing a treaty that will curb domestic ownership of guns.


He also says his worst fear is that a Hillary Rodham Clinton presidency would allow such a treaty to severely damage Second Amendment rights.



"She has never cast a pro-gun vote in the U.S. Senate," advises LaPierre, author of "The Global War on Your Guns: Inside the U.N. Plan to Destroy the Bill of Rights."


"She will probably be the most anti-firearm Second Amendment candidate to ever run for President of the United States."


All this is not some vague future scenario, warns LaPierre. The world's governments will be attending the second world gun summit in New York City between June 27 and July 7, and the anti-gun factions are raring to go.



The 'Nightmare Scenario'

LaPierre says that while a formal treaty needs two-thirds of the Senate to get approved, the damage to gun ownership rights can be done with a simple agreement, which requires only a simple majority in the House and the Senate.



"That is how President Clinton passed NAFTA [the North American Free Trade Agreement]. The U.N. can do it with a simple agreement - if someone like Hillary Clinton ever becomes president.


"Here is the nightmare scenario on that: Yes, our Supreme Court has said the U.S. Constitution trumps treaties. But say Hillary Clinton becomes President in 2008 and gets a couple of Supreme Court appointments. The policy of her husband when he was president is that the Second Amendment applies only to the government and not individuals. Individuals have no right to own guns - only the government.


"If the U.S. Supreme Court, stacked with Hillary Clinton appointments, were to decide that the Second Amendment is only a government right and not the individual right, there would be nothing in the Constitution then to prohibit this U.N. treaty from taking effect," LaPierre said.


Making matters worse, adds LaPierre, is that in his opinion, Supreme Court Justices are increasingly looking to international custom and international law a phenomenon the U.N. is counting on.

The chief NRA spokesman also warns that in yet another wave of attacks, the U.N. will be preparing international lawsuits against American firearms manufacturers.



The George Soros 'Toxin'

For anyone who doubts that the U.N. could weasel its designs into the political and judicial fabric of the country, LaPierre gives a short course in reality.


He explains to NewsMax that the whole anti-gun movement in the U.S. is linked to the International Action Network on Small Arms (IANSA) umbrella at the U.N.


IANSA's director, Rebecca Peters, who once famously debated LaPierre in London, is a great advocate of what she says is the "need to address the problem of guns circulating among civilian populations."


Another way anti-gun activists "have tentacles into the grass roots of this country" is through 527 committees, instructs LaPierre.


"One of the major funding people at the U.N. in terms of the gun ban movement and the NGOs [Non-governmental Organizations] is [billionaire activist] George Soros, who is putting tens of millions of dollars into 527 committees within the U.S. designed to manipulate our elections.


"George Soros is like a new toxin that is polluting American politics. These people consider themselves earthlings first and citizens of any other country second. They eat breakfast in London and dinner in New York and fly around the world in their jets.


"It is increasingly infecting American politics like a germ, and we are going to have to deal with it - including the national and international media."



'Dead Serious'

La Pierre goes on to explain how IANSA is further funded by the governments of the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden and Norway, and by what he describes as many left-wing foundations, including the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Samuel Rubin Foundation.


The Rubin Foundation is headquartered right at the United Nations Plaza in New York City and touts that its mission is to "search for an equitable reallocation of the world's resources."


"As I talk about in the book, Samuel Rubin was a member of the Communist Party. His daughter, Cora Rice, is now running that Foundation. There is a lot of money behind this effort and they are dead serious about writing a treaty that gives guns to the governments and takes the right to own a firearm away from any citizen anywhere in the world, including the United States."


When asked to comment on the sentiment of the severest critics of the U.N. 'that it is time for the U.S. to simply abandon the organization' LaPierre says he thinks everything ought to be on the table. LaPierre would like to see a serious overhaul that includes cutting U.S. funding in a very serious way and turning to other international organizations.


As to that funding issue, U.S. taxpayers last year put $3.8 billion in United Nations programs - $1.5 billion in directly assigned money and $2.3 billion in voluntary money.


Unfortunately, says LaPierre, "a lot of that has gone for all kinds of scandals and a lot of it is being misused on this U.N. gun ban effort. The U.N. is even trying to grab control of the Internet and take it away from the United States, and we need to step back and look at this whole thing from a prospective of whether the U.N. is doing anything these days to serve the interest of the United States of America or not."



'Freedom Grabbing Politicians Like Mayor Bloomberg'

In his free-ranging conversation with NewsMax, LaPierre reserved special vitriol for New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who recently hosted a conference of fellow mayors from around the country. LaPierre points out that Bloomberg, in his opinion, wants to impose a New York City-style gun law on the citizens of Texas and Kansas and Wyoming and North Carolina - throughout the whole United States.


In LaPierre's view, the Big Apple is denying ordinary citizens the right to own a firearm and the right to self-defense.


"It's a misguided, wrong-headed, freedom-grabbing approach that our founding fathers wanted nothing of. It goes right back to the policies of King George and it is elitist.


"If you are rich, you can have your bodyguard," laments LaPierre. "If you are rich, you can live behind a security system. If you are rich, you get your carry permit and you get your gun because you are special. But the less special people, all the rest of us, are flat out of luck." LaPierre says Bloomberg doesn't want to impose gun bans on the "special people," who get gun permits.


But LaPierre evokes the what goes around, comes around attitude: "In election after election, citizens have shown that they will go to the polls and defeat freedom-grabbing politicians like Mayor Bloomberg in New York."


To the NRA spokesman's mind, any crime problem in New York City is best attributed to "the fact that it is not prosecuting criminals.


"The American public saw straight through Rosie O'Donnell, who wanted to be protected by bodyguards with guns and yet wanted to take guns away from the American people. People can see straight through this hypocrisy coming out of the Bloomberg administration and they choke on it."


In LaPierre's opinion the only thing that works is directly confronting criminals and taking them off of the street.
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Part 2:
'You Need To Prosecute Them'

LaPierre rattles through the laws that need to be enforced to the letter:

If a felon has a gun, it is 10 years in federal prison.

If a drug dealer has a gun, it is 10 to 20 years in federal prison.

If someone is illegally smuggling guns, the penalty is five years per gun in federal prison.
"If violent gangs touch guns, you need to prosecute them," he argues. "You need not let them out on bail. You need to have a prosecutor and you need not plea bargain and you need to put these people in prison - and leave the rights of law-biding citizens alone."

LaPierre also had strong words about a recent court decision in New York.

A federal judge just ruled that New York City can have access to gun-tracing information gathered by the federal government's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), saying such information is critical in a lawsuit brought by New York City against gun manufacturers.


In 2004, NRA's clout helped push Congress to pass an amendment that forbids the release to the public of federal data on gun tracing. LaPierre opines that what the New York judge failed to consider was that the amendment passed Congress with the strong support of the Department of Justice and law enforcement.


"The Department of Justice of the United States and law enforcement said publicly before Congress that they believed that the trace data was being misused by the anti-gun movement in the United States and their lawyers and their political network," says LaPierre.


He added that it was shown the misuse was compromising criminal investigations.


"I do not agree with this lone judge who is trying to subvert the will of the United States Congress," he concludes.



Countries Around the World Under U.N. Pressure

Australian Prime Minister John Howard, on the recent 10th anniversary of an infamous shooting spree by a lone gunman that killed 35 people, appealed for a further tightening of gun control laws, with The Coalition for Gun Control, an antigun lobby, urging a national ban on semiautomatic pistols. These weapons are available for sport shooting.


"The average Australian does not need a gun," Howard told a TV audience. LaPierre says that Down Under was getting pressure - like every country in the world - from the United Nations to ban their civilians from owning guns.


And it is a tactic that is simply not working, he says, clicking off some more facts and figures.


He notes that after the Australians got tough with guns, the ensuing four years saw some telling developments:

Armed robberies rose 51 percent.

Unarmed robberies rose 37 percent.

Assaults were up 24 percent.

Kidnappings were up 43 percent.
And don't forget the crime wave in the United Kingdom that followed on the heels of the gun ban there, he advises: "They had close to 6 million burglaries; 314 burglaries a day are going on in London right now. Gun crime has increased by over 50 percent since the ban passed in the United Kingdom."


Murder in the Sudan with Government Guns

But to LaPierre's thinking, the gun ban policy in the Sudan may be the worst example.


The genocide going on in the Sudan, he notes, is being perpetrated by Arab criminal gangs that are being "armed by the Government of Sudan to kill the dark-skinned Arab-Africans in Darfur.


"The government guns that the U.N. approves of are doing the killing over there," he concludes with disgust.


LaPierre laments that the pattern has been seen before in Bosnia and Rwanda with death coming in waves to the innocent because of a U.N. policy of disarming all civilians and leaving them to the whim of "thugs."


He argues that such places are being run by dictators, tyrants who are committing genocide and unleashing thugs who perpetrate rape and torture and terror against their own people.


"If you disarm the civilians from having firearms throughout the world, there is no way to fight back against these genocidal governments that are run by thugs and dictators," he concludes.



The Culture of Corruption

Both in his NewsMax interview and in his new book, LaPierre drives home to Americans the corruption that he says is going on at the United Nations ? which is too little noted by the traditional media. Above and beyond the notorious oil-for-food scandal, he points to other events he sees as travesties.


One case in point: the peacekeepers the U.N sent to Cambodia, who received an attractive wage and one U.N.-provided condom per day. "Bulgaria and Romania emptied their prisons and psychiatric wards to get the peacekeepers that they sent to Cambodia, and then naturally they raped, they robbed and they stole money and did what criminals do," he recounts.


He maintains that all these scandals have been documented and yet have been swept under the carpet by both the United Nations and the national media.


LaPierre gives over a whole chapter of his book to the U.N.'s desire to take charge of the Internet away from the U.S.

He notes with disbelief that the U.N. just held a conference on the Internet that was chaired by a delegate from China.


"China has just shut down 47,000 Internet caf?s," he recalls. "They just hired 4,000 more Internet security police to jail anyone in China that writes anything critical of the government on the Internet, and yet their delegate is chairing the U.N. conference on the Internet, and they held it in Tunisia, a country that is jailing journalists for free speech.


"If the U.N. gets control of the Internet, we are going to have an iron curtain around the world descend on free speech," he concludes.

'Got To Feel and Taste It'

LaPierre says that a good part of the reason he penned his latest book is that Senators on Capitol Hill don't realize how bad the U.N. has become.


"You have to get up there [to New York City] to see and feel and taste it, and then you realize it is actually scary. Most people in the U.S. have no idea how extensive the structure of the UN is. It has three headquarters, not one. It has a huge facility in Vienna; a huge facility in Geneva."


But most of all, he decries what he sees as the institution's contempt for the freedoms that we have as citizens of the United States. These are not people who respect the Bill of Rights, he says, and these are not countries that have a Bill of Rights.


"They would like to reduce the United States of America's freedom to some lower United Nations standard that doesn't include many of the freedoms that are central to the United States.


"It is time to step back, all Americans, and take a good look at the U.N. and re-evaluate what we are doing."
 
Let's see - I got the NRA call yesterday "Rick, what would you do if the U.N. came to your door demanding your guns?". I'm sure tomorrows call will be "Rick, what would you do if Hillary Clinton came to your door demanding your guns."
The 2nd Amendment survived her husband - it'll survive whatever crazy crap she manages to dream up. I seriously doubt she is electable.
 
I seriously doubt she is electable.
I hope you are right. However - with academia, Hollywood and the mainstream media programming The Sheeple to vote Democrat, I fear you are not right.

God help this nation if she wins.
 
THere would be only one good thing about her winning

The gun sales would go sky high, just like Bill Clinton days.
The rest of the world would go down the drain.
I wonder what kind of stain you will find on her dress???
 
I hope you are right. However - with academia, Hollywood and the mainstream media programming The Sheeple to vote Democrat, I fear you are not right.

Sometimes I get the feeling that it's already in the bag. God, I hope I'm wrong.

As an aside, Is Gina Davis pro or anti? (Commander in Chief)
(If that show's not mental conditioning for the masses I don't know what is)
 
If Hillary runs Hillary will win. There is no serious question regarding her electability. The only question is whether the Dem party will go for it and that will be decided with the mid terms. If it looks like the Dems can get a serious measure of control within CONgress then she's your next POTUS. If not then maybe not, since she has zero capacity to play politics with a Repub dominated body. That's the only hope(if you can call it that) you got...
 
If Hillary runs Hillary will win. There is no serious question regarding her electability.

Google "barret report", even though it never was made public in its chilling entirety, the known allegations could be used against her. The fact that she let her husband cheat on her is a huge blow to the feminist voter base that would normaly support a woman for president. Men will likely be hesitant to elect a woman. Especialy one who let her husband violate the sactity of their marriage, what is she going to do about violators of our treaties?

I think that those are some serious questions that she won't have answers to.
 
Hilary Clinton IS a threat to the American way of life. She can be elected and Hollywood has already paved the way for her with the show "Commander in Chief" showing a female President. The American sheeple will get comfortable with the idea of a female President and walk Hilary right thru the front door of the White House as Americas first.
That will begin a very long dark 4 years in American history.
 
not to worry

Sorry to be so cynical but the NRA depends on our fear of 'loosing gun ownership rights' for their well-being. I'm a member and pro-gun, but it seems the NRA often overplays these types of 'scenarios' in their effort to beef-up membership and donations.

Frankly, I don't see the dems have much to be gained by pushing gun control. Most politicians loose more support than they gain from this position with some exceptions in the far-left states (like Schumer).

No worries.
 
I don't think it is so scary from the perspective of what she could accomplish within the context of laws and treaties.

What I worry about is her sheer ineptitude. Of the two of them Bill is the better statesman and leader. When Bill was president he allowed the destruction of the Oklahoma City Federal building as a retaliation for his Branch Davidian massacre. He failed to stop the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan and the rise of OBL. He allowed the first WTC bombing. He royally screwed up the entire response to the Serbo/Croation wars, the rise of Sudanese dictatorship, the bubble economy.

Leave guns out of it. Consider the repercussions if she managed to tick off the Conservatives, Red states, taxpayers and the religious community all at once. This country would wake up one morning to a simultanous uprising which would make the Civil War look like a cakewalk.
 
This country will fold in half if Hilary gets elected and starts trying to take away guns. If that ever got passed and the whole totalitarian society,nightmare scenario actually came about I doubt the average gun owner would find the "over the top" gun owner as over the top then. Be 1776 all over again in my book! FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!
 
The only way Bloomberg will get me to give up my guns in NYC is if he finances with his billions, the same amount of NYPD ESU trained bodygaurds and a private security force like the one he empolyed before becoming mayor to protect mine and my family's homes as well as every citizen in New York City. Then, I'll support his platform. Mr. Billionaire has stated just like GOP potential front runner Guiliani that there is NO reason for non leo's to own handguns. I put in a request for a purchase order to pickup my USP Tactical in 03January. The wait on this is 6 weeks to process. Well it's now May and I'm still waiting. I am not suprised when all of Bloomberg's power brokering buddies, friendly celebrities and allied judges have carry permits here in NY state. Hillary of course doesn't need one since she has lifetime secret service protection and if I'm not mistaken, the ultimate irony is that Shumer has a ny state pistol permit.
 
Marks655 wrote;

.......but it seems the NRA often overplays these types of 'scenarios' in their effort to beef-up membership and donations.......

Even if this were true, I do not find it objectionable. Not at all.

The NRA is one of the few organizations whose charter is to protect our 2nd Amendment rights. This takes members and contributions.

I don't care if the NRA dances naked in the streets...whatever it takes to bring more gun owners into the fold and to keep the NRA funded.

It is a fact of life that Lobbyists have a huge amount of influence in the halls of Congress. There are Anti-Gun Lobbyists and there are Pro-Gun Lobbyists.

These Lobbyists cost money. Big money.

The NRA can take every dime of my contributions and put them directly into the pocket of the Pro-Gun Lobbyist.

Whatever it takes. Naked in the streets. Whatever.

As long as I never have to worry about some government official, knocking at my door, and telling me I have to surrender my guns.

Never happen?

Best go look at a World Atlas. It has happened.
 
The only question is whether the Dem party will go for it and that will be decided with the mid terms. If it looks like the Dems can get a serious measure of control within CONgress then she's your next POTUS.
Just curious, 2nd Amendment: If the Dems win control of Congress this November, how will that decide the outcome of the 2008 Presidential election? Hillary and the Dems still have to get 270 electoral votes for her to win...
 
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