Stage2 said:
Anything to show the war was based on a lie will suffice.
Firstly, don't put words in my mouth.
Did I use the word "lie"?
I said manipulated (un)intelligence, tongue in cheek.
Do you deny that intelligence was manipulated to present a strong case for war in Iraq, by the Administration? Do you also deny that this case has been being dismantled since the start of the war.
Here are some key points of intelligence manipulated to present the case for war.
*WMD in Iraq. (none)
*Yellow Cake from Niger (false)
*Aluminum Tubes for centrifuges (false)
*Mobile Bio-Chem Weapons Labs (false)
...among others, all proven false and misleading as presented by the Administration.
Care to check the facts? Here is a list of resources minus the media spin where YOU dear reader can investigate to your hearts content, if you value facts and not partisan spin, rights above gubbmint.
Federation of American Scientists:
http://www.fas.org/main/home.jsp
The Reporters Committee on Freedom of the Press:
http://rcfp.org/behindthehomefront/
Memory Hole:
http://www.thememoryhole.org/
Cryptome:
http://cryptome.org/
Global Security:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/
Project on Government Oversight:
http://www.pogo.org/
Electronic Privacy Information Center:
http://www.epic.org/
Freedom information efforts-global:
http://www.freedominfo.org/
OMB watch:
http://www.ombwatch.org/
Freedom of Information Clearinghouse:
http://www.citizen.org/
Access Reports:
http://www.accessreports.com/
James Madison Project:
http://www.jamesmadisonproject.org/
Freedom of Inoformational Law:
http://foi.wikispaces.com/
FOIA documents:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/foia/index.html#foia.
CIA Center for the Study of Intelligence:
https://www.cia.gov/csi/
If you can't access this information and answer all of your own questions, please PM me.
Sorry I had to be one of those to "spill" truth all over the table.
Stage2 said:
Who read what? And what do LEO's have to do with Iraq. You said this puke soldier has a duty to the constitution. Well, the constotutional requirements were satisfied when congress approved Bush's actions.
Puke soldier? As an ex-soldier, I take that quite offensively.
No, the Constitutional requirements were NOT met, by the Congress approving Bush's plan for war. Perhaps you should do some reading about what really happened, and why the plan backfired by those who were "pressured" in to voting the plan up, HINGING that approval on more information that was never provided by the administration?
Perhaps you should take quarrely with Congressmen who vote up issues without seeing all the evidence?
Perhaps, as a citizen, you may want to hold your government accountable for the BILLIONS of dollars used to finance a Unconstitutional war in your name, using your money?
Perhaps, a little study about what the Constitution says about war powers, and coining money, and taxation?
Obviously you are caught up in the world you live in, and not the Laws we claim to live by.
That is the equivalent of being a "tool" for the oppressor.
Stage2 said:
This is the clarification I was looking for. Ready to start the revolution all over again are we.
Well, lets analyze that, shall we?
They have rigged our election system to allow two party domination of the four point political compass that is used to define ANY government.
They have systematicly infringed upon every single enumerated, unalienable right in the BOR, using law, which contradicts the very idea of CONSTITUTIONAL LIMITATIONS by the people, does it not?
They have ignored the peaceful protests that take place around the nation, and had the gall to pass laws describing "free speech zones" where you are "allowed" to speak freely. (conveniently away from any cameras, visiting dignataries, or any other assembly of lawmakers.)
They have ignored multiple "petitions for redress of grievance" by the citizens, as well as back-logging legitimate cases that the court refuses to hear, based on their bi-partisan appointment bias.
They have started using Federal and State LE agencies to imprison, harass and infiltrate peaceful, citizen political and religious organizations.
So, yea.... I am ready to invoke my right to revolt, once the sheeple get whiff of coffee.
Do you deny that the Constitution GUARANTEES a Republican form of government to the people of the United States?
Stage2 said:
But once again, the constitution was satisfied in this case.
Only to the ignorant and apathetic who hear what they "want" to hear.
“The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything. Except what is worth knowing. Journalism, conscious of this, and having tradesman-like habits, supplies their demands.”
-Oscar Wilde
“Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.”
-Richard Salant, former President of CBS News
“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”
-Thomas Jefferson
“Reason obeys itself; and ignorance does whatever is dictated to it.”
-Thomas Paine, Rights of Man ("Conclusion")
Stage 2 said:
Apathy for what? An officer who deserts his troops in a time of war. They used to shoot people for that you know.
They also used to burn witches at the stake, keep slaves, and deny women a right to vote, should we bring those back for you too?
This Officer is STANDING UP for what is Constitutional, as opposed to the system in power. (rebloodlicans and democrips)
What you fail to see is how the citizens failed this soldier, and why he now must fight a two front-war. One against his government, and one against the citizens like you who turn their back on him, because YOU and other Americans failed to their JOB.
It is supposed to be us "voting with our feet" in the streets in protest.
It is supposed to be us "voting with our feet" on election day.
It is supposed to be us "voting with our feet" to keep the politicians REPRESENTATIVE of the people, to the FULLEST EXTENT that our rights allow.
Our rights allow protest,
thousands did that.
Our rights allow a petition for redress, impeachment (of all members, not just the president). Who is doing this?
Millions have signed various petitions.
Our rights allow for a lot more, if these fail to bring government " in line" with the public and the Constitution.
I think it is a lot to ask of brave men who already signed to put their life on the line, to fight a political war at home, while fighting a physical war in Iraq.
We the people, need to learn what the phrase means and take action to support these troops, by forcing our representatives to listen by literally blowing the circuits off the wall at the phone company due to the massive volumes of calls in protest. We should be surrounding the Capital with protesters in the range of 2,500,000 not 25,000 people. We should be doing a national one day protest of work, to really examine the support.
The American people haven't even changed their shopping habits, let alone their protesting or political awareness habits. Why?
The Illegal in Chief has been saying "stay the course", if you change the terrorists win.
The people are still trusting the boneheads that created the problems, and have proven their inability, disintrest in action.
(Osborn wiggles his finger at his fellow citizens, especially Sheriffs and LEO's who swear in to support the Constitution.)
Shame on you America. Support your troops, or is it inconvenient now that YOU have to sacrifice?