I don't know how many people are aware of the proposition here in Washington State that is probably coming out on this fall's election ballot or not, but they are welcome to Google it for themselves if they want to. It is Proposition 1491 where a family member, the police or anyone (the petitioner) who is remotely familiar with someone (the respondent) can file a complaint with the courts and the respondent has to go to court and surrender all his guns for a period of one year. The petitioner can be a close family member, a girlfriend(or ex girlfriend), a cousin or a friend that files the paperwork on you. It's supposed to be for people WHO MIGHT (or might not) have mental health issues or anger issues where THEY MIGHT (or might not) present a danger to other people or to themselves!
The way I understand this Constitutional violation, the respondent isn't even charged with any kind of crime when he goes to court, so there's no need for him/her to seek out a lawyer before going to court or to have the courts to provide him with a court appointed attorney if he can't afford a lawyer of his own. And just what are the consequences for someone if they are non-compliant with this whole process-prison time and spiraling down the toilet? Without legal council representation, it sounds like just because the accusation is made, then the person automatically loses his gun rights for a period of one year, no matter what, as soon as he shows up for court(automatically guilty just because of the accusation)! But, the respondent is still court ordered to surrender all of his guns (as if he is being charged with a crime) for a period of one year and is court ordered to go to treatment for his drug/alcohol addiction or court ordered to go through an anger management course or court order to seek mental health treatment and even after completion, there's still no guarantee that he will get his guns back! This whole thing stinks of a railroading process that takes people's guns away from them at the slightest provocation! I also suppose that someone getting their guns back would all be contingent upon whether the counselor that someone is required to see is anti-gun or pro-gun too and what kind of report (and when they submit the report) that they submit back to the courts! It is also the respondents responsibility to petition the courts to get his guns back after that one year period is over and if he doesn't do so in a timely manner, then the government can automatically dispose of those guns without any kind of notification to the respondent! So, I suppose that after one year and one day, they can destroy those guns! It is not mentioned exactly what kind of grace period the respondent has to petition the courts for his guns back or the grace period of how long the courts take. The courts can just drag their feet, if they want to, until the guns are already destroyed by law enforcement! I suppose the respondent doesn't have much to say about it if they already destroy his guns! He can't very well "undestroy them" and I doubt very much if the government would replace the guns! All of this is based upon either true or possibly untrue accusations from the petitioner that the respondent is a danger to himself or to others and the petitioner making the claim doesn't even have to have their real address listed on the court paperwork(nothing like starting this whole process with a lie! If they lie about this, then just what else are they going to lie about?).
The way I see this, it opens the door for someone to have his guns taken away from him, and possibly destroyed before he has a chance to get them back, for anything from AN ACCUSATION of being drunk because he tripped on the sidewalk while walking out to his car, to going through a vindictive divorce, to going through the grief cycle from the death of a loved one because someone experiences depression from this (mental health issue)! Is this also going to include any and all skeletons that most people have in their background from 20 or 30 years ago, like he used to pick his nose and eat it when he was a kid and that is a mental health/moral issue? Better be careful that you don't make a family member mad at you for getting into an argument with them or because you took them out of your last will and testament because they just might make a vindictive accusation about you! Because we are an open carry state, someone is liable to have an accusation that they intimidated and scared someone because they had a gun on their hip in public! Or if someone has their Conceal Carry Permit, then someone got scared because they saw someone have a lump on their body because their gun was printing! All I can say about this is for someone to keep their gun hidden away if they have their Concealed Carry Permit and don't let anyone at all know that you have it! Just about any kind of a ridiculous excuse or accusation from just about anyone who is remotely familiar to you will work for the court system! Then, just because someone has just one bad day, then is this going to be cause for someone to be accused of having an anger issue(to err is to be human)? This also sounds like a good way for your dishonest neighbor to come to your house to steal everything you own, and rape and murder all your family members after he knows for a fact that you don't have your guns anymore to protect them (because of this law)!
There's just to many scenarios that could happen with this in order for it to be a reasonable thing that people should vote for! The anti-gun pacifists are back at it once again and gun owners really need to do their homework on this before voting this fall! If we outlaw guns, then the only people who will have guns is the government and outlaws! There are many people today who would absolutely love to throw our Constitution in the garbage can because they think it is outdated, but it is our Constitution that keeps our government in check. Be careful that you don't tell anyone you know where you keep your guns in your house(or on your person for that matter) because that is one of the questions that they ask on the paperwork. But we still have to be careful about passing this law too because some people don't know where you keep your guns (maybe they have never been in your house), so I suppose that the court system will bypass this question and consider it to be trivial if someone doesn't know it and take your guns away from you anyway! Ve no who you are! Ve no you hav guns! You vill cumpli comrad!
The way I understand this Constitutional violation, the respondent isn't even charged with any kind of crime when he goes to court, so there's no need for him/her to seek out a lawyer before going to court or to have the courts to provide him with a court appointed attorney if he can't afford a lawyer of his own. And just what are the consequences for someone if they are non-compliant with this whole process-prison time and spiraling down the toilet? Without legal council representation, it sounds like just because the accusation is made, then the person automatically loses his gun rights for a period of one year, no matter what, as soon as he shows up for court(automatically guilty just because of the accusation)! But, the respondent is still court ordered to surrender all of his guns (as if he is being charged with a crime) for a period of one year and is court ordered to go to treatment for his drug/alcohol addiction or court ordered to go through an anger management course or court order to seek mental health treatment and even after completion, there's still no guarantee that he will get his guns back! This whole thing stinks of a railroading process that takes people's guns away from them at the slightest provocation! I also suppose that someone getting their guns back would all be contingent upon whether the counselor that someone is required to see is anti-gun or pro-gun too and what kind of report (and when they submit the report) that they submit back to the courts! It is also the respondents responsibility to petition the courts to get his guns back after that one year period is over and if he doesn't do so in a timely manner, then the government can automatically dispose of those guns without any kind of notification to the respondent! So, I suppose that after one year and one day, they can destroy those guns! It is not mentioned exactly what kind of grace period the respondent has to petition the courts for his guns back or the grace period of how long the courts take. The courts can just drag their feet, if they want to, until the guns are already destroyed by law enforcement! I suppose the respondent doesn't have much to say about it if they already destroy his guns! He can't very well "undestroy them" and I doubt very much if the government would replace the guns! All of this is based upon either true or possibly untrue accusations from the petitioner that the respondent is a danger to himself or to others and the petitioner making the claim doesn't even have to have their real address listed on the court paperwork(nothing like starting this whole process with a lie! If they lie about this, then just what else are they going to lie about?).
The way I see this, it opens the door for someone to have his guns taken away from him, and possibly destroyed before he has a chance to get them back, for anything from AN ACCUSATION of being drunk because he tripped on the sidewalk while walking out to his car, to going through a vindictive divorce, to going through the grief cycle from the death of a loved one because someone experiences depression from this (mental health issue)! Is this also going to include any and all skeletons that most people have in their background from 20 or 30 years ago, like he used to pick his nose and eat it when he was a kid and that is a mental health/moral issue? Better be careful that you don't make a family member mad at you for getting into an argument with them or because you took them out of your last will and testament because they just might make a vindictive accusation about you! Because we are an open carry state, someone is liable to have an accusation that they intimidated and scared someone because they had a gun on their hip in public! Or if someone has their Conceal Carry Permit, then someone got scared because they saw someone have a lump on their body because their gun was printing! All I can say about this is for someone to keep their gun hidden away if they have their Concealed Carry Permit and don't let anyone at all know that you have it! Just about any kind of a ridiculous excuse or accusation from just about anyone who is remotely familiar to you will work for the court system! Then, just because someone has just one bad day, then is this going to be cause for someone to be accused of having an anger issue(to err is to be human)? This also sounds like a good way for your dishonest neighbor to come to your house to steal everything you own, and rape and murder all your family members after he knows for a fact that you don't have your guns anymore to protect them (because of this law)!
There's just to many scenarios that could happen with this in order for it to be a reasonable thing that people should vote for! The anti-gun pacifists are back at it once again and gun owners really need to do their homework on this before voting this fall! If we outlaw guns, then the only people who will have guns is the government and outlaws! There are many people today who would absolutely love to throw our Constitution in the garbage can because they think it is outdated, but it is our Constitution that keeps our government in check. Be careful that you don't tell anyone you know where you keep your guns in your house(or on your person for that matter) because that is one of the questions that they ask on the paperwork. But we still have to be careful about passing this law too because some people don't know where you keep your guns (maybe they have never been in your house), so I suppose that the court system will bypass this question and consider it to be trivial if someone doesn't know it and take your guns away from you anyway! Ve no who you are! Ve no you hav guns! You vill cumpli comrad!