Washington Probes School Shootings

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Wash. Probes School Shootings

By ANJETTA McQUEEN, AP Education Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Students who came to school with a plan to kill did not ``just snap.'' They told other kids, aired their grievances and otherwise left clues that could have been used to prevent the attacks, a Secret Service review of school shootings since 1974 finds.

In a departure from duties that include protecting the president and catching counterfeiters, the Secret Service examined 37 cases in hopes of teaching educators to take a closer look at what students are saying, rather than what they wear or who their friends are.

``This is not about personality,'' said Randy Borum, a forensic psychologist and mental health law expert who worked as a consultant for the Secret Service on the schools study, and its earlier looks at assassins. ``This is about behavior. This is about asking whether this kid is on a pathway to a violent act, and if so, where is he on that path and how quickly is he moving.''

The report, released Saturday, was the second federal law enforcement agency to weigh in on an issue that has vexed school and city officials. A guide the FBI issued last month on sizing up student threats drew mixed reviews from educators worried that an accompanying list of character traits would make targets of troubled children.

Concern over school violence remains high even though school killings dropped to 13 last year, from a peak of 52 eight years ago.

Education Department officials, who accepted an offer of help from the Secret Service, a Treasury Department agency, a year ago and sat in on agents' investigations, said the newest study offers a dose of reality for schools fighting violence.

``Young people who need help do not keep it a secret,'' Education Secretary Richard Riley said. ``But adults ... are often the last ones to know.''

Riley's school safety chief, William Modzeleski, said the report proves schools will have to be more vigilant about following up on student threats. ``This is a clear message that we have to change the climate and culture of schools. It's going to be important that students don't see speaking up as squealing.''

The review found that in most targeted attacks at school, the signals are loud and clear - at least among fellow students. In one case, a student told 24 classmates and friends of his interest in killing other kids and making bombs. In another case, rumors of a planned shooting drew two dozen onlookers to a school hallway before the attacker opened fire; one student had brought a video camera, but forgot to record the event in all the excitement.

Warren Allison, safety coordinator for Tucson, Ariz., schools said he always keeps his ear to the ground. ``This is the most important prevention of these types of acts. ... to these youngsters it's their whole world. They are usually really worried and we can't afford to blow it off,'' he said.

The Secret Service says its study of the cases - in which 41 boys and young men came to school with plans to kill someone in non-gang-related violence - was modeled in part on analysis the agency applies to adults who have threatened to hurt public officials.

It's the agency's first main look at schools, but the work could be used to address workplace violence and personal stalking cases, officials said. Just as the Secret Service communicates with mental health experts, local police and other agencies to thwart potential assassins, schools could collaborate with students, parents and others to prevent Columbine-style violence.

The Secret Service report warned strongly against profiling students.

``We do not try to make these students into little assassins or budding assassins,'' said Bryan Vossekuil, executive director of the Secret Service National Threat Assessment Center, who co-wrote the study.

He said some school shooters were popular, others were not. Some made good grades; others were failing. Some were in foster care; some came from intact families that were pillars of the community.

Rather than building a profile of an attacker with a set of personality traits, the Secret Service focuses on behavior and motives, tracing the shooter's thoughts and actions from the day of the attack back to when the perpetrator first developed a notion to make the attack.

The nine-page interim report offered few other details on the cases studied, or the attackers interviewed. Vossekuil said details on the cases were unavailable; some of the cases are still in the courts, and records won't be released until those cases are resolved.
 
I find it truly interesting that the one definate link to all of these school shootings is Ritalin or other psychotropic drugs that are fed to these children. Of course we cannot blame the drug. We can however blame the parents. Kids just don't snap, and go and kill classmates. They cook for a long, long time. I'll continue to say this, because it bears repeating.
Human beings are social animals. Just like cattle, horses, dogs, goats, sheep, and all the primates, they need social interaction. It is no secret what has been happening to these kids. When they are about 6 weeks old, Mom and Dad drop them off at daycare so that they can have mommy work so that they can drive the Lexus, or the brand-new suburban, and live in the nice house with the extra 2 bedrooms, swimming pool, and have the nice large screen TV.
Up 'til the child is introduced into our value-free, self-esteem is more important than self-respect government school system, they are watched by a minimum wage daycare worker who is also tasked with watching 5 or 6 other children. They don't give your kids one-on-one social interaction. They just clean both ends of the kid every 2 hours, and try to keep them from killing each other until you pick them up.
Of course when mommy (or daddy) picks them up, they are brought home, and set in front of the TV with a "Barney" video or some other garbage so that dinner can be cooked, eaten, and the family can then watch TV until bedtime. No social interaction in the home either.
Both mom and dad whom the neighbors later describe as really good people, are shocked to find that their son is acting up in school, and cannot behave so he is rushed to the family doctor who prescribes Ritalin, and WOW! what a difference it makes. His grades go up, his behavior calms down, and he is sedated. This continues until finally in High-School, he brings a gun to school, and kills somebody. Amazing reactions time and time again are "he was a quiet boy who made decent grades and had loving parents who worked real hard, and when he started having problems they even had a doctor prescribe drugs to fix it."

It never ceases to amaze me how stupid people are. My son will NEVER take ritalin. EVER. I'll take an honest, hard-earned "D" over a drug induced "B" anyday. The behavior isn't the problem. It is the symptom of the problem. When did physicians start treating the symptoms and ignore the problem. What we need is a doctor who will tell the parents to get their act together, and raise their kids instead of trusting "professionals" to do it.
Until that happens, we will not see an end to the kids who just "snap" in school. Of course this study won't link that 100% of these kids in the past decade were all on some sort of behavior modification RX. What a bunch of morons.

For those of you who go to your doctor to get a Ritalin RX, something you may want to ask him is to get out his Physicians Desk Reference, and have him interpret the side-effects of Ritalin to you. In case he doesn't, let me quote for you from the manufacturer of Ritalin itself:

" Nervousness and insomnia are the most common adverse reactions but are usually controlled by reducing dosage and omitting the drug in the afternoon and the evening. Other reactions include hypersensitivity (including skin rash), urticaria [swollen itchy patches of skin], fever, arthralgia, exfoliative dermatitis [scaly patches of skin], erythema multiforme [an accute inflammatory skin disease], with histopathological findings of necroptizing vasculitis [destruction of the blood vessels], and thrombocytopenic purpura [a serious blood clotting disorder], anorexia; nausea, dizziness; palpitations; headache; diskinesia [impairment of voluntary muscle movement], drowsiness; blood pressure and pulse changes, both up and down; tachycardia [rapid heartbeat]; abdominal pain, weight loss dring prolonged therapy.
There have been rare reports of tourette's syndrome. Toxic psychosis has been reported in patients taking this drug; leukopenia [reduction in white blood cells] and/or anemia; a few instances of scalp hair loss. In children, loss of appetite, abdominal pain, weight loss during prolonged therapy, insomnia, and tachycardia may occur more frequently; however, any of the other adverse reactions listed above may also occur.

Courtesy of Ciba-Geigy, the manufacturer and patent holder for Ritalin.
If there are any physicians out there, please feel free to correct any of my interpretations (in brackets).

By the way, since Ritalin is an amphetamine, and most everyone knows that a side effect to amphetamines is irritability, wonder if Harris and Klebold were perhaps a little irritated?
 
kjm

You are obviously misguided.

It is the guns.
Can't you hear yours calling out to you, "Kill them, kill them all."

Good points.

[This message has been edited by hube1236 (edited October 15, 2000).]
 
This is an interesting study and bears some close reading and scrutiny. I am sure that there are some who will critizise it out of hand simply because they don't understand it and are too concerned about any possible infringement on our rights. But understanding why someone takes a wrong and violent action may help prevent some such acts in the future without having to deny all of us the RKBA.

At the very least it may help muzzle some of the anti-gun people who say we should not have guns because one of us "may snap and start shooting". It looks like very few people "just snap". The point is being able to recognize those who exhibit some signs and intervene early to help them.

Frosty
 
I agree with the study. A kid doesn't just wake up one morning and decide to shoot everyone. It takes a lot of 'working up' to the event, which involves verbalizing or acting out to some degree. I think the exception may be suicide. I am a teacher, not a psychologist but I think the difference is the direction of the anger.
KJM, I think the biggest part of your statement is the lack of social interaction inherent when you have people who are 'too busy' to spend time with their kids. A kid who has someone to talk to, someone they can trust and who will help them out when they need it won't pressure-cook until he or she blows up into violence. There was a tech-update ditty on a morning show yesterday, where some guy was showing off all the new wearable technogadgets. Pretty much all of them had some wireless info technology so people really didn't have to actually talk to each other. The guy made some crack about how, in Japan, people will be sitting around on the subway or at home and there will be no conversation directly. A kid will be in one room and be on the net with his mom in the next room asking her what is for dinner. That scares the ever-lovin' fertilizer out of me. We are becoming a society of technology induced autistics.

I am not the sort who wants everyone to hug and sing Koombahyah but as you mentioned; we are social animals and we NEED some personal interaction. Babies who are held are better developed and more secure than ones who are left by themselves all the time, say numerous studies. The less personal interaction you see between people the more sudden, desperate, and VIOLENT acts you will see from people who are starved for attention/interaction but who don't have the social skills to fullfill their needs constructively. The more isolated people get the more desperate they will become. Desperate people do desperate things. Not immediately, but unless there is a constructive outlet then it becomes a matter of time before they become destructive- either to themselves through drugs, alcohol, whatever... or they start shooting at other people, vote for Gore, or something else that's horrible.
If there is one common thread I think it is social interaction. The biggest indicator is their home life but some kids get in with a good crowd, find preachers, teachers, or mentors as surrogate family. Don't rely on us to be your kid's family, though. The average high school teacher has between 120 to 150 kids per year. Our hands are tied by administrators, curricula, stupid parents, time, and lawyers so don't expect us to socially train your kid. I am a science and math teacher. Expect me to teach your kid science and math. Anything else is equivalent to expecting me to volunteer to dive on a grenade. For some kids I am willing. Most would demand it and then piss on my body afterwards. Sorry, but I have my own family to look after.

That's my two cents.


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Those who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules.Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt- Sun Tzu, The Art of War



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After reading the post by kjm, I just remembered something that didn't "hit me on the head" at the time. When I left the military in '98, I had alot of spare time on my hands. I had some money saved up and instead of getting a job right away, I did some work on my Firebird that I'd been putting off for a long time. This was during the summer. This boy, about 12 I guess, came up one day and wanted to help. Now, I don't let ANYONE touch my baby (the Firebird) but this kid seemed okay. I let him be my helper, handing me tools (which I had to teach him about), getting me a cup of coffee when I ran out, etc. Well, for the next couple of months before school, he was always over. I'd wake up, come out the door and he would be there. I had fun teaching him how to be a shade tree mechanic and just having someone to talk with. I found out later that he was a "trouble" kid in the neighborhood, that was untill he came over to help me. He was a "bully" in school and the parents had him on ritalin (which he didn't take while over at my house from what I could see). Intelligent boy, good mannered (I still can't get over Mr. and Sir), wouldn't even imagine that he was a "troublemaker". His parents worked all day (left him at home to do whatever) and his mother drank all night while his dad came home and went to bed. All he needed was just someone to teach him and to talk with him (not talk AT him or down to him). When I left, he was doing well in school and was off the drug. He also became friends with the neighbors kids next door to me so I hope he's still doing well.

USP45usp
 
That is what most of these troubled kids need. I was going to work with my cousin's kids who have become wards of the state, and were placed in a youth-ranch close to my home, but once I started trying, I just couldn't get past the drugs. They have these kids sedated on some sort of drug. They all take ritalin. Imagine that every single one of the 200+ kids at this ranch all have the same mental disorder? I doubt it. My guess is the drugs are raising the kids. This is so sad. I wanted to take these kids out and go fishing with them. I have the time, and the money, but I couldn't carry on a coherent conversation because these kids are litterally drugged to the point of being intoxicated. They slur their words, and cannot speak. The child that I particularly wanted to work with was unable to add or subtract much less do multiplication. This child is an eigth grader. Sad. Very, very sad.
I learned a lot about raising kids from dogs and horses. In the Army we separated our horses into individual stalls. This had a few reasons, but one of them was that the animal, yearning for interaction with another, would accept and work with people in leiu of another horse after being segregated a while. They would be much more responsive to the rider if they didn't have the social interaction with another animal.
With dogs, we leave the pups with the mother for 7 weeks minimum. I won't let a pup go a day before they reach that critical 7 week point. If you observe a bitch with her pups, she "disciplines" them. Pups, like kids tend to push their limits. The mother will growl (warning), and when things go too far, she'll pick them up by the loose fur accross their shoulders and bite them (not hard, but enough to cause the pup discomfort). Somewhere in this process the pup learns limits, but is also exposed to a healthy interaction with its dam. The pup recieves food from mamma, warmth from mamma, direction from mamma, and love. Kids aren't much different.
My wife and I are considering taking on a foster child, but my one stipulation is that the child absolutely cannot be on ANY psychotropic medications. I can fix most discipline problems by the application of (like a dog) immeadiate correction, and constant love. I cannot fix a single problem if I am dealing with a child who is not in his right mind to begin with. Unfortunately, as soon as these children find their way into the foster system, they are quickly applied a "label." Most all of them are ADD or ADHD, and take ritalin. This is due to the fact that foster parents, youth ranches and other agencies get more money from the state if a child has "problems."
If we want to get a grip on our children, we have to get a grip on their parents.
 
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