WARNING, IT IS STARTING, Just as I said it would.

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ernest2

New member
Since last Oct 99, I have been warning tfl
members about federal firearms registration and licensing.

Not just about them leading to confiscation,
but also about the government's scheme to
price registration fees and pistol permit fees beyond the ability of an average citizen to financally afford.


WELL, I TOLD YOU SO AND NOW ITS HERE!


Nassau County New York pistol permit fees were $40.oo for five years but
the new Nausa County New York Pistol Permit fee
is $200.oo per year, each and every year!

That is pretty damn steep as a Federal Firearms License is only $90.oo for three years.

Nausa County admits it is a revenue collecting scheeme.

Boy , talk about paying through the nose for a Constutionally Guaranteed Right pre dating the Constitution.

Nassau County pistol owners are ticked off
and are complaining like rusty door hinges
to their county officials who refuse to budge on the profiteering.

And Gov.Pataki is an anti gun turn coat republican , so who can Nausau County residents turn to for redress of their greviances?

They are being singled out for extra burdensome taxation without representation
aimed at forcing them to dispose of handguns that they may no longer be able to afford to keep a license to carry for.

As I said before , they could raise the fee yet again, another $200.oo to $400.oo a year.

Are there any protections in place to stop this type of abusive taxation,misuse of authority and discrimination?

We shall need to put our heads together and come up with safeguards and a solution to deal with this type of abuse which may be comming soon to your state.

For people willing to drive 30 miles to the next town to save 75 cents on a box of cartridges an little effort now to save you $160.oo next year and each and every year thereafter , dont you think it would be worth the effort?

Discretly and circomspectly, find out what might be done to about a regulatory agency
overcharging for its licensing fees, without mentioning the name of the agency, if possible, because we dont want to give the socialists any new ideas
about what they have within their power to do to us if we can help it.

Remember, if it is not broke,dont fix it.

But, this way,when it does happen in your state, at least you will have some idea about what can be realistically done about it
and who to contact to get action started.

New Hampshire Motto: Live Free or Die.

New York Motto: Pay A Lot More or Die! It aint free no more!

Nausa County , where a right becomes a bought and paid for privledge but only for those well off enough to afford it.

Source material http://www.nralive.com/frameset/

Top Story Fri. June 16,2000 as a prelude to the US vs. Emerson Case Daily News Feature.


[This message has been edited by ernest2 (edited June 16, 2000).]
 
I'll have to give it some thought. However, I remember a few years back in the 70's I think when the government was charging for CB radio licenses action was taken which led to the reduction in fees. I'm not sure of the reasoning. Will try to explore.

Of course there should be no price required to exercise a constitutional right. How about discrimination against the poor and indigent? Equal protection?
 
This crap is going to keep getting worse if YOU don't get off your butts and do something!
Sorry if I'm rude, but the percentage of gunowners who are actively making noise is minimal and shameful.
I venture to say that the same percentage can be found at TFL.
 
Shin-Tao,
Mr. Shoemaker got off his butt and tried to do something and a lot of people on this forum came down on him saying no, no, don't rock the boat, it may offend the anti's or some such thing. :rolleyes:

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"Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way."
 
ernest2,
You are correct, and I did not intend to imply that he was......sorry. :o

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"Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way."
 
Rock the boat? We need to scuttle the damn thing and build another!!

Snail-mail has more impact than e-mail. Faxes are better than e-mail, not as good as snail-mail.

Send both. Be precice and check you spelling.

Joing the NRA and GOA.

If you go buy another free-floated barrel AR or racegun and don't join the fight...well, I won't put that into words. This is a civil place.
 
What needs to be done - and done very quick is for the people in Nassau County New York to SUE the county.
Sue them very hard and for damages and follow up by VOTING those jerks out of office or demand these public servants to be fired.

Any one from that area here?
 
There was a Supreme Court Ruling right after the Civil war. It had to do with a poll-tax down South. Original idea was to keep blacks from being able to vote as they didn't have the money to pay for the "privlidge". Sup Court ruled that you cannot place a tax on the exercising of a Right. Why hasn't anyone ever sued against these laws under this ruling? Or am I just lost in the woods here.
 
Well George I am from Suffolk County, which is right next door to Nassau.

Two years ago the Republican controlled county legislature in Nassau County raised taxes on several items, including a tax of, I believe, 1% on real estate transfers.
The county is facing a "financial crisis" due to bloated budgets and very well paid employees. ( The NCPD is the highest paid municipal PD in the country). The next county wide election the predominantly Republican county threw out the Republicans because of the tax increases and put in a dumbocrat majority.

The moral of this story is that even if you vote the bastards out of office there are even bigger bastards waiting to take their place!

Nassau County borders on NYC and often follows NYC's lead. I am surprised that they still are allowed to have handguns.

The current handgun license is for five years, and in Nassau County when you renew you have to bring all of your handguns to the PD to allow them to verify serial numbers!

Doesn't surprise me at all, with Carolyn McCarthy in the congress and Dumbocrats running the county, which is way in the red!

Have a lot of shooting buddies from Nassau, can't wait to hear them next time I go to the range. Rifles and Shotguns will be next, I garundamntee ya!


Geoff Ross (Idaho is looking mighty good right now!)

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One reason to vote in the next Presidential election.

It's the Supreme Court, Stupid!

[This message has been edited by K80Geoff (edited June 16, 2000).]
 
smells like MMM:
http://www.millionmommarch.com/html/who/reducing_access.html

Licensing of Gun Owners or Buyers
Anyone interested in buying or owning a gun should have to
pass tests at least as rigorous as those facing people who want
to drive cars. A licensing system for gun owners or buyers would
ensure minimal levels of competence before a person gets legal
access to a gun. Licensing would also improve the accuracy of
background checks at the point of purchase by providing better
identification of the buyer. Applicants for a license would need
to:

Provide fingerprints and a photograph;
Pass a thorough background check, including a check for
misdemeanor convictions;
Demonstrate detailed knowledge of the laws governing
the use, possession, storage, and transfer of guns;
Demonstrate a basic understanding of how guns work,
including the use and limitations of safety devices;
Demonstrate minimal competence in handling and
shooting the gun;
Maintain current registration on all handguns owned.

Registration of Handguns
Registration provides a mechanism for monitoring the flow of
handguns in private hands. With appropriate follow-up,
registration can prevent illegal transfers by making the
registered owner responsible for what happens to his or her gun,
and by forcing owners periodically to claim or disclaim
responsibility for their guns. Registration also allows restriction of
handgun ammunition to buyers who legally own a compatible
handgun. A registration system would include:

Initial registration at time of purchase;
Annual renewal upon payment of a fee;
Liability for the registered owner of a gun recovered in a
crime unless the registered owner can provide an
appropriate explanation, such as:
Proof of legal transfer;
A theft report filed with police;
Proof that the gun was permanently disabled.

Gun and Ammunition Purchase Limits
As long as people can buy unlimited quantities of guns and
ammunition with virtually no scrutiny, the illegal supply of guns
will remain well-stocked. Responsible limits on gun and
ammunition purchases include:

No more than one gun a month for any buyer; Ammunition sales
only by federal firearms licensees; Background checks for
ammunition buyers; Ammunition purchases limited to
ammunition compatible with a handgun registered to the buyer,
or with a long-gun for which the buyer has proof of ownership.

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it also sounds like a play right out of the "fake" HCI five year plan : http://www.survival.com.mx/hci.html
I. Proposed License Fees - 1994-1995 Gun Control Proposals

These listings and the documentation used to calculate these suggested fee schedules will be made available to federal law enforcement authorities and U.S. Department of the Treasury for review, when the
time is right. Additional material will be made available to key politicians when proposing any fee-related legislation. These suggestions will be instrumental in determining thenature of future gun control
legislation and proposals.

A)Handgun License Fees:
Year 1 to 2: $50-$75 annually.
Year 3 to 4: $150-$250 annually.
Year 5 to 8: $550-$625 annually.

B) Penalties for non-compliance:
(a) Failure to acquire license -- $1,000/6 months jail, revocation of ability to own
(b) Failure to maintain license -- $5,000/12 months jail, revocation of ability to own
(c) Failure to turn over guns for destruction after lapse of license --$15,000/18 months jail, revocation of ability to own.

Failure to renew license or notify issuing authority of change of status would be considered a felony. All firearms owned would be then considered contraband, and confiscated. State or local authorities
would be prohibited from retaining or re-selling any confiscated firearms. Record of destruction to be issued to federal government not later than 60 days after confiscation.
 
Thinking about this I just realized that something similar happened about 10 years ago when the NY State Dept of Environmental Conservation tried to raise the fees for Pest Controll Operators (Exterminators) business licenses from $50 a year to something like $250. The DEC was taken to court and lost! No increase in the license fees.

Don't know all the particulars but the DEC ( Under Mario the emperor Cuomo) was stunned by the decision.

There are some very good RKBA people in the Long Island area and they will most certainly fight this. I think the county will get a bloody nose on this.

I have noticed that all this demonization of the NRA and gun owners is starting to get people fired up. Even the old fart shotgunners are starting to gripe. Stay tuned!


Geoff Ross

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One reason to vote in the next Presidential election.

It's the Supreme Court, Stupid!
 
Where is Henry Bowman?

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Gun control started the Revolutionary War!..."itcta alea est"
 
Where indeed.

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Thane (NRA GOA JPFO SAF CAN)
MD C.A.N.OP
tbellomo@home.com
http://homes.acmecity.com/thematrix/digital/237/cansite/can.html
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"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
 
The Locomotives Continue Racing Toward Each Other.


By the way, Cassidy, Supreme Court Justice Douglas was extremely anti-Second Amend., and anti-guns in the hands of serfs and peasants. FWIW. J.B.
 
And the thread is jammed with responces as TFL leaps to the challenge and begins a strong campaign of letter writing and faxing!
The strength of 5,600 informed gunowners puts pressure on key congressmen!

Oh. No. Not quite. The thread dies and we wander off to talk about the qaulities of the Glock verses the 1911. As we engage in this serious discource, powerfull players within the oligarchy continue on with the civilian disarmament programme.


For crying out loud.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Roybean:
I'll have to give it some thought. However, I remember a few years back in the 70's I think when the government was charging for CB radio licenses action was taken which led to the reduction in fees. I'm not sure of the reasoning. Will try to explore.
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No need to explore . I gots da answer !! I was driving big truck at that time and I was on the C.B. about 25 hours a day as were all the drivers at that time . We were required to send to Gettysburg Pa. for a license to operate the darn thing . It cost $4 . While the license was applied for you had to use your initials and zip code as call letters . I was TFB51106 . When I got it I was transformed into KAAG0126 . Legal and proud was I .
Well it seems that so many people obeyed the law that the FCC took in about a kajilloin bucks in a short time . Enter federal law . At the time the Fed. Gov't. said that agencies such as this could not take in any more money than it took to operate so licenses were free until the surplus was used up . Later the licensing became free . We didn't need a license , we didn't need call letters ....hell , we didn't even need no stinkin' badges . Oh, sorry . That's another movie .

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TOM
SASS AMERICAN LEGION NRA
 
How can this be fought? How 'bout you just don't register the freaking things?

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"Anyone feel like saluting the flag which the strutting ATF and FBI gleefully raised over the smoldering crematorium of Waco, back in April of ‘93?" -Vin Suprynowicz
 
Seems like another case for Emerson to resolve. we need that case sooo bad judged on 2nd Amendment grounds!
 
I must be doin sumpin wrong. Have puter, couple of faxes etc and I still spend more on stamps than my phone bill.

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Sam I am, grn egs n packin

Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
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