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EQUALIZER

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I'm finally going to have a chance to drive to Marietta OH, to try out a special gas delayed blowback design of the 1911. I know that there are gun rag reviews, and various opinions. However, I want to go into this unbiased and am looking for questions.

Many members of this forum have been of great help in expanding my understanding and interests in different areas related to firearms. I wish to repay the favor in some small way. Hence, I am going to take a day off of work, travel to the home of John Atkins, (ie. Network Custom Guns) and try out a few 1911s set up with this interesting system, in whatever calibers are at hand. He has an indoor range, which should cut down on variables, (except for noise).

If you were in my shoes, what would you like to determine about this system? What questions would you like to ask? I'll be happy to find out what I can for you and post my review at a later date.

His web site is here: http://www.ncggasgun.com./

Best regards,
EQ
 
1) How reliable without cleaning?

2) How durable (how many rounds till failure)?

3) Specifically, what advantage(s) does this bring to the (already well-proven) 1911 platform?

4) Cost?

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"All my ammo is factory ammo"
 
5. How adaptable is the system to some of the more modern "semi-magnum" rounds like .45 Super, .440 Corbon, etc.?

6. Does it add significantly to the weight and concealibility of the firearm?
 
I heard they claim an increase in accuracy.
See if they have any test targets or try
to shoot some 25yard groups.
 
Why bother with a gas system on a recoil operated pistol?
Why change a successful design that has been battle proven for 90 years and is now stronger and better than ever?
Why add complicated components with a greater chance of failure than a simple SPRING?
Why would someone want to spend that much money for risking ruination of a fine sidearm?
 
Well, obviosly, lead bullets are out the door, so no more cast 200gr SWC H&G #68's.

How about a kit for the Commander and Officer's ACP variants? The short barrel of the Officer's ACP, with it's more severe angles between full recoil and lockup, are a lot of fun to deal with gunsmith-wise, hence all the bushingless designs out there now. A fixed barrel would make life a lot easier for the shorties...
 
Hi, Equalizer,

I would be concerned first about extraction. The major problem with a gas delayed (gas-retarded) blowback is that the gas does not act on the slide soon enough and the gun opens too soon. When it does, the case head is torn through by the extractor or the extractor breaks frequently.

With the late, unlamented, Rogak, the extraction problem never was solved, so they simply ground off the extractor hook. This allowed the gun to function, but unloading without firing involved pointing the pistol up, then turning it over to drop the round. Extracting a stuck case involved use of a clearing rod.

It can be done, as Steyr later proved, but it is not (IMHO) a real good way to run the railroad, although it has good points, the principal one being a fixed barrel. The best design for accuracy would be one in which the barrel is pinned or otherwise semi-permanently fixed.

Ease of cleaning is a factor as, again, the Rogak proved; the Steyr was much better.

Jim
 
I've got a Steyr GB - gas-delayed blowback - I *think* that the recoil is spread out over a longer time than a 'normal' 9mm which makes the recoil seem to be softer.

If my memory of high-school physics serves, you can't reduce amount of recoil but you can change the characteristics, which this does.

People who know more about this subject than me (and there are millions) are welcome to jump in and set me straight.

So, your perception of the recoil would be interesting. Then again, I've never found the recoil of a 1911 to be particularly bothersome.

regards,

Owen
 
I would be interested to see how it handles things like .40 super, and 460 Rowland. Supposedly they recoil even less. Now that could prove very usefull.

Also what was said above, reliability once it gets dirty.
 
We could have you ask Jeff Cooper's question, "What's it for?" Or the three year old's, "Why?"

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1911's forever, or at least until they come up with a hand held electronic rail gun.
Ne Conjuge Nobiscum
 
You guys have lots of great questions! Keep them comming.

I've been told over the phone already that it works particularly well and reliable w/hot ammo. 200gr .45 @ 1400fps. Hopefully there'll be a chronograph set up the day I go to Marietta.

WalterGAII,
I don't think I can see a 3.67" target at 100yds. ;) <That's me squinting. A variable power hunting scope would be handy in order to determine the full potential of its accuracy however.

I'll try to ask all of these questions for you, even your's George. Those are fair enough questions for any new product. I'd like to know myself.

Best regards,
Eq
 
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