Walther PPQ Sub Compact

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Walther has finally released a sub compact version of the PPQ.

http://www.waltherarms.com/handguns/ppq-sub-compact/

Barrel: 3.5”
Length: 6.6”
Height: 4.4”
Weight: 21.2oz
Capacity: 10/15 rounds

Looks like about a half inch smaller in length than a standard PPQ and an inch in height when using the flush mag. About an inch smaller in both measurements when compared to the PPQ Navy.

Overall just a touch smaller than a VP9 SK and just a bit bigger than a Glock 26.

I’m a fan of the PPQ line with having a Navy model myself and my wife has the standard model. I’ve been wanting something smaller than the Navy and the ability to have the control all be the same makes this a likely choice.
 
It’s probably no coincidence that Walther released this PPQ subcompact within a day of Glock’s release of the Gen5 26. I really like my PPS-M2 and I see that they got the weight of this PPQ subcompact within 0.1 oz. of my gun, but with a longer barrel length (3.5” vs. 3.18”). I’d like to check one out!
 
Comparing to the PPS is interesting.

Both have the same height with the lowest capacity mags, but the PPQ SC holds 4 more rounds than the PPS. Walther has released the height with 15-round magazine in the PPQ yet, but I’d bet it’s roughly an inch more and inline with a compact PPQ.

Length & width is .3” more on the PPQ SC, but with almost identical weights.
 
doofus47 said:
Not swapping my p99 AS compact.
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Understood, and IMHO it's actually kinda funny that they're taking a pistol that's effectively the exact same size as the P99c AS, which they've previously marketed as a compact, and they're calling it a "subcompact." :rolleyes: (Correspondingly, references to the P99c being a "compact" seem to have been strategically pruned from the Walther website.)

Of course, given the current popularity of subcompacts, it's unsurprising that their marketing department would want to call it that.
 
Glad to see it being a Walther fan but I already got my HK P30SK LEM so I probably won't be getting the PPQ SC. Still I CCW my Walther PPS with 7 round magazine the most because for be the thinness of the PPS makes it ideal for longer term CCW comfort yet I can shoot my PPS very well.

I was hoping Walther had a third magazine option such as 12/13 rounds like HK has with the P30SK with 13 rounds. I usually CCW my P30SK with 13 round magazine as it gives me full grip but still very easy to conceal.

Curious watching a video that shows that the PPQ SC has an internal extractor unlike the PPQ and P99C that have external extractor.

My LGS has their annual factory shoot in March and I hope Walther has the PPQ SC with the so I can try it out.

Picture of PPQ SC.

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Sigarms228: said:
Still I CCW my Walther PPS with 7 round magazine the most because for be the thinness of the PPS makes it ideal for longer term CCW comfort yet I can shoot my PPS very well.
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Agree 100%, although I CCW my own PPS-M2 with the 2 - 8 rd. accessory mags I have. I definitely wouldn’t replace a P30SK LEM for one of these, my own P30 V3 is one of my best & favorites, for whatever I want to use it for.

But I’m very interested in that PPQ SC, and if I find one with a nice trigger break like my PPS-M2, I’ll definitely make room for another Walther product!
 
^^^ I'd argue the same, but a lot of U.S. shooters don't understand paddle mags, and unfortunately, I believe the P99 AS suffers from being neither fish nor fowl; a lot of buyers don't know what to make of a DA/SA striker pistol with a peculiar third trigger mode.
 
Fishbed77 - trigger is the same according to Walther’s website. What is that you don’t like about the PPQ trigger for defensive use?

The trigger is a selling point for me. The trigger would be more or less the same as the trigger in my Navy (range use/HD) and my wife’s compact. The same trigger & controls do make for an easy sell. Though I’m aware not everyone loves the PPQ trigger, I’ve gotten used to it as it’s my only striker fired and only 9mm. It’s become the new normal

I’d like to try the P99C AS trigger but I don’t know anyone that has a standard P99 let alone a P99C AS. I think if I wanted to stray from the PPQs, I’d end up with a HK P30 V3, I’ve gotten to try one of those and enjoyed it.
 
^^^ I'd argue the same, but a lot of U.S. shooters don't understand paddle mags, and unfortunately, I believe the P99 AS suffers from being neither fish nor fowl; a lot of buyers don't know what to make of a DA/SA striker pistol with a peculiar third trigger mode.
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HK manages to sell pistols with paddle mag releases, and the P99c AS manual of arms is the basically the same as any other DA/SA pistol.

The P99c AS's real problem is marketing. In that there was none. Either by S&W in years past or Walther America currently.
 
The pin at the rear is holding together a new area made of plastic. This new area in the PPQ sc is steel in the PPQ and the P99c. Walther says it is to reduce weight, but the PPQ sc is the same weight as the P99c...so weight reduction is more likely a cost reduction.

All the guts are moved rearward.

A PPQ mag does NOT work with the PPQ sc without changing springs. The PPQ sc reciprocates the slide much faster and the mags springs are different. Not true with the P99 and the P99c.

Waltherforum shows so hesitation on this one.

I love the Walthers, but I am thinking this might not be kink free.
 
A PPQ mag does NOT work with the PPQ sc without changing springs. The PPQ sc reciprocates the slide much faster and the mags springs are different. Not true with the P99 and the P99c.
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If this is true, this puppy is DOA.

One of the beauties of the Glock and the P99 is the mag compatibly across the line.

Reminds me that I need to pick up a P99c AS one day.
 
I bought a P99c AS just last week and I like the trigger much better(in SA mode) than the full size PPQ's. Only paid $349 too. I'm considering a full size P99 now too. I'm sure a lot of PPQ owners will buy and enjoy the PPQsc.
 
Yikes. After seeing how Walther (or more likely Umarex in this case) bastardized the P99/PPQ design with the PPQsc, there is no way I will buy one:

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ppq/98050-ppq-sc-internal-photos.html

All Walther had to do was chop some length off the barrel and grip and be done with it, but instead they essentially redesigned the entire pistol for reasons that can only be attributed to production cost-cutting (modular 9mm/.40 slide, plastic slide components, slide roll pin, two-part barrel, and mag incompatibility).

This thing is a total loser.

At one point, it seemed like Walther could do no wrong, but it seems like every choice or product they've made since the original PPQ has been a dumpster fire. This includes dropping the superior paddle release from the PPQ and PPS (and making the originals hard-to-find new), the hot steaming garbage that was the potmetal PPK/22 and the CCP, and the clunky PPX/Creed.

What has happened to the Walther we once knew and loved? At least the P99AS and P99cAS are still out there if you look hard enough.


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Yikes. After seeing how Walther (or more likely Umarex in this case) bastardized the P99/PPQ design with the PPQsc, there is no way I will buy one ...
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I have a PPQ (M1) now and like it a lot. As a companion to the PPQ, I am looking for a somewhat more compact version of essentially the same thing. But for some reason, I am finding myself looking at the P99C instead of the PPQsc.
 
PPQ M1, P99, and P99c mags are interchangeable.

PPQ sc mags are PPQ sc spring specific.

Yeah. Walther is really trying, successfully, to be stupid.
 
Fishbed77 said:
All Walther had to do was chop some length off the barrel and grip and be done with it, but instead they essentially redesigned the entire pistol for reasons that can only be attributed to production cost-cutting (modular 9mm/.40 slide, plastic slide components, slide roll pin, two-part barrel, and mag incompatibility).
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What the hey who?!! :eek::(:mad:
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...it seems like every choice or product they've made since the original PPQ has been a dumpster fire.
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I'd argue that the Creed isn't that bad if you take the price point into account.

However, with the PPQsc, I must sadly presume that they're cutting costs to stay competitive on the U.S. commercial market. :(
Fishbed77 said:
At least the P99AS and P99cAS are still out there if you look hard enough.
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Amen!

I've been seriously contemplating the purchase of a P99c AS (I like the AS trigger). I was thinking that the PPQsc looks like an interesting alternative, but any chance that I would choose it over the P99c has just evaporated; I don't care how much lower the street price is.
 
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