Ok since the general feeling is that the FN fourty nine is not that great how about this gun. It reminds me a lot of a HK USP. Price is about the same. Fit and finish are better in my book. Trigger is a wierd safe action type. Actually a two stage. First stage is a bit heavy and actually cocks the gun. second stange is light and smooth and fires it. Decocker is on the slide which is odd but not to bad in my opinion. Very simple and rugged looking gun. Anyone know anything about them? It feels much better than the USP due to the slightly thinner grips. THanks guys. SOrry for all the questions posts but I am itchint to get a good Auto and I am tired of the sma old glocks, 1911s, Sigs, etc. Thanks.
Walther P99?
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I like the gun, I like it, I like it, I like it. I have the .40. I have experimented with different types of ammo and have found few that do not perform flawlessly. I fired the HK vs the Walther and I liked the Walther. There is a huge contingency of HK fans here some will bash Carl, some will not. Before you buy though, please make sure the dealer is dropping S&W once his inventory is gone. Accessories are limited, but what does one need besides a holster (thanks den) a spare clip and a lot of practice.
When shooting, I group extremely well using point/ shoulder techniques. Using the sights, I am still touch and go, but because of my instructor's observations, the trigger is squeezed not strangled. One point though, I laid the pistol on a sandbag and Vee'd in my wrist so there was absolutly no movement. I hit deal square in the middle of the target, I mean where the meridian hits the equator at 25 yrds. I was forever sold there.
The gun has a rep for not feeding well, but I really have only had that propblem with that red box from federal.
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When shooting, I group extremely well using point/ shoulder techniques. Using the sights, I am still touch and go, but because of my instructor's observations, the trigger is squeezed not strangled. One point though, I laid the pistol on a sandbag and Vee'd in my wrist so there was absolutly no movement. I hit deal square in the middle of the target, I mean where the meridian hits the equator at 25 yrds. I was forever sold there.
The gun has a rep for not feeding well, but I really have only had that propblem with that red box from federal.
[This message has been edited by hube1236 (edited June 14, 2000).]
Just bought and shot a P99 this past weekend. I got the 9mm flavor. The accuracy was great, the single action trigger has a lot of take up in it, the double action is pretty long, the decocker is a good solution, the mag release works great with your trigger finger, and the fit and feel are superb.
I put the smaller backstrap on the grip and loved what it did for the gun. The finger grooving on the front strap is comfortable. My fingertips land in the hollowed out area on the left side of the grip and it just 'feels' right to me.
My groups varied with the ammo; I got my best results with 115gr FMJs. At it's best, the 99 was putting five shots in two inches at 30 feet. At it's worst, it was putting five shots in 3.5 inches. I did notice that regardless of ammo fired, the last shot of each clip seemed to be kicked out about an inch from the rest of the group. I'm not sure if that was a function of the gun or me just getting distracted.
Only two negatives appeared. The first was that after firing 5 or 6 rounds of a clip, I started to feel like my trigger finger was getting pinched sliding back over the raised hump in the middle of the trigger guard.
The second was that two or three times in a couple hundred rounds, I had to nudge the slide back to it's resting spot (with S&B ammo) before I could fire another shot. The Winchester 115 FMJ's cycled fine.
Recoil was exceptionally light and manageable--it put me in mind of the Beretta Cougars that I have shot.
The more I shot the gun, the more I liked the trigger 'stages'. With a striker fired weapon, I love the idea of a decocker that will allow me to put the gun back in my holster after firing without having to worry about whether or not I'm in single or double action mode.
The unique 'cocking' action that lets you cock the gun by only advancing the slide about a quarter inch is great--especially when you're doing dryfire routines. It also proved to be very handy when I would shoot five rounds, decock the gun, set it down on the bench, retract the target to mark my group, send the target back out, and then re-cock the gun to single action trigger by simply advancing the slide a quarter inch. It's a cool feature.
I fired two and three shot 'double taps' with pretty fair accuracy and have to tell you that you can cycle that second shot so fast that it'll surprise you the first couple of times you do it. That's not a bad thing, it's an improvement over just about any gun I've ever shot, but it does happen so fast it surprises you.
Now if I could just figure out what to do about the 'pinching' sensation after a half dozen rounds.
Did I mention that everybody at the range wanted to borrow 'the Bond gun'. It shoots as great as it looks.
Just my opinion... but then again, according to some people around here, I'm just a hopelessly biased Walther fan unwilling to buckle under to the undeniable brilliance of Sig weaponry.
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Take the long way home...
I put the smaller backstrap on the grip and loved what it did for the gun. The finger grooving on the front strap is comfortable. My fingertips land in the hollowed out area on the left side of the grip and it just 'feels' right to me.
My groups varied with the ammo; I got my best results with 115gr FMJs. At it's best, the 99 was putting five shots in two inches at 30 feet. At it's worst, it was putting five shots in 3.5 inches. I did notice that regardless of ammo fired, the last shot of each clip seemed to be kicked out about an inch from the rest of the group. I'm not sure if that was a function of the gun or me just getting distracted.
Only two negatives appeared. The first was that after firing 5 or 6 rounds of a clip, I started to feel like my trigger finger was getting pinched sliding back over the raised hump in the middle of the trigger guard.
The second was that two or three times in a couple hundred rounds, I had to nudge the slide back to it's resting spot (with S&B ammo) before I could fire another shot. The Winchester 115 FMJ's cycled fine.
Recoil was exceptionally light and manageable--it put me in mind of the Beretta Cougars that I have shot.
The more I shot the gun, the more I liked the trigger 'stages'. With a striker fired weapon, I love the idea of a decocker that will allow me to put the gun back in my holster after firing without having to worry about whether or not I'm in single or double action mode.
The unique 'cocking' action that lets you cock the gun by only advancing the slide about a quarter inch is great--especially when you're doing dryfire routines. It also proved to be very handy when I would shoot five rounds, decock the gun, set it down on the bench, retract the target to mark my group, send the target back out, and then re-cock the gun to single action trigger by simply advancing the slide a quarter inch. It's a cool feature.
I fired two and three shot 'double taps' with pretty fair accuracy and have to tell you that you can cycle that second shot so fast that it'll surprise you the first couple of times you do it. That's not a bad thing, it's an improvement over just about any gun I've ever shot, but it does happen so fast it surprises you.
Now if I could just figure out what to do about the 'pinching' sensation after a half dozen rounds.
Did I mention that everybody at the range wanted to borrow 'the Bond gun'. It shoots as great as it looks.
Just my opinion... but then again, according to some people around here, I'm just a hopelessly biased Walther fan unwilling to buckle under to the undeniable brilliance of Sig weaponry.
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Take the long way home...
My P99-9mm is a very accurate gun and is currently shooting beyond my capability. Although, I've been able to hit 12-inch round plates at 75 yards with an acceptable level of precision. To date, it is running more than 1000 rounds.
I've tested both the largest and medium backstrap and settled for the medium. It fits better in my hand, compared with the HK USP (grip's quite big) and Glock. Grip is also slimmer compared with my Sig-clone.
Muzzle flip is much more compared with my Sig-clone, but flip's less than that of a Glock 17.
I'm using it for the new IPSC Production Class, and is quite a find action-gun shooter. My only problem is being able to adjust to a new grip so that my strong thumb would not ride on the slide stop. This has prevented the slide to lock when mags are out of ammo. I wish though that the slide stop were a lot smaller and further in front.
Barrel is tight for a 4-inch gun which translate to higher velocity. It handles lead bullets. If you intend to reload, it is very sensitive to OAL settings. Below the 1.135" (28.8mm), I was able to experience "tumbling" of bullets -- "keyholes on paper targets", which translate to inaccuracy.
Overall, a great and fun gun.
I've tested both the largest and medium backstrap and settled for the medium. It fits better in my hand, compared with the HK USP (grip's quite big) and Glock. Grip is also slimmer compared with my Sig-clone.
Muzzle flip is much more compared with my Sig-clone, but flip's less than that of a Glock 17.
I'm using it for the new IPSC Production Class, and is quite a find action-gun shooter. My only problem is being able to adjust to a new grip so that my strong thumb would not ride on the slide stop. This has prevented the slide to lock when mags are out of ammo. I wish though that the slide stop were a lot smaller and further in front.
Barrel is tight for a 4-inch gun which translate to higher velocity. It handles lead bullets. If you intend to reload, it is very sensitive to OAL settings. Below the 1.135" (28.8mm), I was able to experience "tumbling" of bullets -- "keyholes on paper targets", which translate to inaccuracy.
Overall, a great and fun gun.
David Scott
New member
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gremlin:
Now if I could just figure out what to do about the 'pinching' sensation after a half dozen rounds.[/quote]
Do you own a Dremel Moto-Tool, or know someone who does? Take the pistol down, hold the trigger back with a tie-wrap or something, and carefully level the inside of the trigger guard.
Now if I could just figure out what to do about the 'pinching' sensation after a half dozen rounds.[/quote]
Do you own a Dremel Moto-Tool, or know someone who does? Take the pistol down, hold the trigger back with a tie-wrap or something, and carefully level the inside of the trigger guard.
That price is good. I have seen them on the net for cheaper, but by the time you throw in all of the stuff (ship, xfer, etc) it comes out to be the same. My local store has the blue, the green, and the silver (it is NOT) stainless), Any finish is great that tennifer is tough stuff.
David Scott
New member
The local paper here has an ad for a P99 in 9mm, in box with all accessories, "only fired once". They want $500. Hmmm... lemme check my bank balance. 
P99s were $519-$529 at the gun show in Houston last week. Give Bachman's a call. It usually has good prices on P99s - http://www.bachmangun.com
By the way, Walther USA says that the P99QA will be available soon. You may want to wait - http://www.carl-walther.de/englisch/defense/defense-84.html
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By the way, Walther USA says that the P99QA will be available soon. You may want to wait - http://www.carl-walther.de/englisch/defense/defense-84.html
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Have one in 40, and it is a great gun. Gremlin: When I first got mine, the pinching was bad enough to bloody my trigger finger. Like you, I thought the trigger had to be pinching my finger on the raised hump. A gunsmith convinced me that it was fairly common for the mag releases on P99s to be slightly raised above the line of the trigger guard and to be the cause of pinching. Applying a dremel to the mag releases getting them even with the inside of the trigger guard solved the pinching problem for me. Afterwards, the gun was much more pleasant to shoot!!! Good shooting.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David Scott:
Do you own a Dremel Moto-Tool, or know someone who does? Take the pistol down, hold the trigger back with a tie-wrap or something, and carefully level the inside of the trigger guard.[/quote]
David - What type of polishing accessory would you use with the Moto-Tool to do this & at what rpm?
Do you own a Dremel Moto-Tool, or know someone who does? Take the pistol down, hold the trigger back with a tie-wrap or something, and carefully level the inside of the trigger guard.[/quote]
David - What type of polishing accessory would you use with the Moto-Tool to do this & at what rpm?
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gremlin:
...two or three times in a couple hundred rounds, I had to nudge the slide back to it's resting spot (with S&B ammo) before I could fire another shot...
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I've seen shooters in my club have the identical problem after firing a couple of boxes of ammo, so it seems to be a common shortcoming, at least with the 9mm versions. Cleaning and oiling temporarily restored reliability. Too bad; nice gun otherwise.
...two or three times in a couple hundred rounds, I had to nudge the slide back to it's resting spot (with S&B ammo) before I could fire another shot...
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I've seen shooters in my club have the identical problem after firing a couple of boxes of ammo, so it seems to be a common shortcoming, at least with the 9mm versions. Cleaning and oiling temporarily restored reliability. Too bad; nice gun otherwise.
I bought a P99 in 40 cal about a month ago at a local sport shop for $559, it was on sale. It is a great gun, I am much more accurate with it after 500 rounds than with my G22 after 2000 rounds.. 
It shoots nice and the trigger is easy to reset. The only problem I had, and still have to a certian degree, is that the hole on the right side of the grip (top of grip) has cut the webbing between my thumb and index finger a few times, I might bevel the hole to reduce this. Otherwise it is a great shooting gun! Very accurate. I just wish I could find a cheap source for mags for this thing.
It shoots nice and the trigger is easy to reset. The only problem I had, and still have to a certian degree, is that the hole on the right side of the grip (top of grip) has cut the webbing between my thumb and index finger a few times, I might bevel the hole to reduce this. Otherwise it is a great shooting gun! Very accurate. I just wish I could find a cheap source for mags for this thing.My P99 is a early WALTHER model.Trigger is poor.Not dependable at all.Trigger will not fire the gun at times.I could NEVER use it as a carry weapon.Fits my hand well. Looks good.I keep it inactive waiting for someone who wants a genuine WALTHER ,not a SW, to come along with more money than it's worth,and a desire to own only a "genuine item.The later serial # P99s have an improved trigger, but I won't spend any more on this one than I already have spent.My HK puts this one to shame.