Walther p.38 ac43

I have a walther P.38 left to me by my grandfather. I have read up on the hand gun but was seeing if I was missing anything. From what I have read online is that it was made in 1943 in a plant in Zella-Mekhi's. AC was the code for that particular plant. 2165 J is found on the frame, slide and barrel. From what I understand it's the 2,165 made but is the J for The month made or something else? I'm also curious about the markings on the clip, slide, and to the right of the j above trigger on the frame. It's a number 359 with symbol above it. I couldn't find out any information on it. Any information would be great full and if any of my info is wrong please feel free to correct me. I really want to get a better understanding of this hand gun.
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Hi there.

AC is the code for Walther produced P.38s.

The symbols etc you're looking at are roughly 'waffenamt'. I own a cyq code (a Spreewerk made P.38, Mausers have a byf code) 1944 P.38. I love it but I can't shoot it for beans! Not that it's a range gun.

P.38s are great collectibles and yours seems to be is what would be called 'non-force matched', in other words, the parts are original to each other. Very cool pistols and notable ones at that.

This forum is great for info but I think you'd be better served by joining P38forum.com . That's not to say you won't get great info here.

Thanks for the photos
 
I have the same gun, only made approximately a year earlier AC 42.

The letter code suffix on the serial number has nothing to do with the month of manufacture, other than higher letters are later in the year.

The serial numbers for P.08s and P.38s run in 4 digit blocks, then start over with an added letter. SO the first gun made in the year is 0001 and this goes to 9999 then starts over with 0001 a-9999a..
then b, c, and so on.

The number 359 is the WaA pruf number for the inspectorate at the plant.
WaffenAmt (Weapons Office) inspectorate were assigned to all manufacturing plants, sometimes under a single number, sometimes more than one.

The symbol above the number is a Nazi Eagle. There are several versions (including with swastika) but the eagle is often poorly struck and only looks like some lines (the wings) The other markings are various proof marks, some are stylized eagles, some aren't. Every weapon accepted for service by the Nazis will have both a WaA stamp and various proof marks. I can ID some of them, with clear pics, (and if I dig up the right book, ;))

The safety drops the hammer, BUT NEVER TRUST IT!!!!! Always, Always ALWAYS point the gun in a safe direction when applying the safety with a round in the chamber!!!! (if it breaks, the gun CAN fire when you put the safety ON!!!)

The P.38 should NOT be fired with +p ammo!!! The gun was made to run on standard 115gr/124gr FMJ ammo, and may not be reliable with anything else.

Shooting +p will likely lead to some kind of breakage if done routinely, and might result in something breaking at any time its fired. Save the hot defensive ammo for more modern guns.

Interestingly, and uncommonly, the P.38 ejects to the LEFT!

Consider getting a reproduction holster. Good condition originals can run several hundred $$, a repro works just as well, looks as good, (or better) and is LOTS cheaper. Also holds a spare magazine.

Hope this helps!

yours seems to be is what would be called 'non-force matched', in other words, the parts are original to each other.

this is the first time I've ever seen anyone use the term "non-force match". Usually we just say "original" or "matching numbers".

A "force match" gun is where a missing part is replaced with a part from another gun that has the same last two serial number digits. Only the last two digits of the serial number were stamped on many of the small parts, which has led to people installing a non-original (to the gun) part but having the same last two numbers, "forcing" a match with the serial number. Dishonest people will claim its all original, because the numbers match, and claim the value of an all original gun.
 
this is the first time I've ever seen anyone use the term "non-force match"

Well, there's a thing you can't say any more!

A "force match" gun is where a missing part is replaced with a part from another gun that has the same last two serial number digits. Only the last two digits of the serial number were stamped on many of the small parts, which has led to people installing a non-original (to the gun) part but having the same last two numbers, "forcing" a match with the serial number. Dishonest people will claim its all original, because the numbers match, and claim the value of an all original gun.

I am well aware of the overall situation with force matching. However it was also done by militaries, such as the Soviets'. Please note I am not saying the pistol in question is a Soviet capture. I am merely making the observation.

Sorry you never heard the term I used, but well, I'm not ignorant of the subject. I was trying to help another member.
 
If you plan on shooting it then I would encourage you to purchase a forged locking block to replace the original one.
 
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