Walther for CCH?

Waitone

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I'm working my way to CCH. The reports I get on Walther products is all over the map. I hear the quality of the US model(s) is not as high as it is from the European sites. It seems the ergonomics is second to none yet factory support is questionable. Then there is the issue of associaton with S&W.

That's what I heard. Now what is reality? Is a Walther a real CCH possibility or am I living in a world long since extinct?
 
Nope--Just "obsolete" designs.

Waitone---

I'll give MY answer to your question, but first need to define a couple of working presumptions. You don't mention any particular model Walther pistol for concealed carry. I imagine you would have stated if you meant something large, like a P-38 or P5, so I'll talk about the medium pocket pistols, the PPK and PPK/S, in .32 and .380 ACP.

What I've seen of recent US production looks good. Few companies produce ANYTHING with as fine a fit and finish as "Away back when." The hand fitting and polishing just costs too much, unless you're willing to pay extra. A LOT extra.

Also, the US consumer seems to want stainless steel, and this just doesn't look as good as highly polished carbon steel with a top quality rust blue finish. Never mind that the blue finish is not very sturdy compared to Stls.

My personal observation is that the Walther PP and PPK were, at one time, state of the art concealment pistols. Safe, accurate, convenient, top quality, and all the rest of those desirable factors. Many persons, both men and women, who carried hidden pistols didn't care to go through extensive training in safe and proper handling of a pocket pistol, so the double action mechanism appealed to them. The competing single action auto pistols such as Colt Model M, Remington 51, and some others, just faded away, and the PP series remained.

But they were unchanged since their inception. I don't know why the "dural," alloy framed models went away, but when I felt a burning need for the best powerful hideout pistol available back n the mid-1960s, I couldn't find a dural PPK .380 for love nor money, so I settled for a brand-new one made in 66.

It was good, accurate, "attractive" in my eyes, and overall, quite satisfactory. I shot it a lot, handloaded for it (unusual back then,) and was pretty good with it. My only complaint with it was that it was HEAVY for its size and power. I still carried it a lot, mostly in an ankle holster, for the next ten years or so, finally replacing it with an Airweight Chiefs Special for "always gun" use.

I still have the PPK, but it lives in the safe. There are 9x19mm pistols which are smaller and lighter, so why bother with the older design? No mistake, here--Just because something's old doesn't mean it is not still the best tool for a certain job. I carry a 1911 variant almost daily, because it is best for ME, in the service pistol category. But the Kahr or Kel Tec suits me better for medium-bore, deep concealment. If you are wed to the idea of .380, you might look at the SiG P230 or its successor--Don't recall the model number. About same size as PPK/S but much lighter, with excellent product support.

I think of the medium-size Walthers in the same way as the Colt Single Action Army revolver: At one time, IT was state of the art for its particular job. That time is long past, and now it is still a very desirable item from a nostalgic and historical standpoint. Entirely capable of serving, in a pinch, but long superceded as a primary choice.

I am ignorant concerning the Walther connection with S&W, unless you mean the collaboration on one service pistol design. I'd forgotten that.

You mention "ergonomics second to none." Much of this is subjective, of course. I think the PPK and Beretta 1934 both impart more "kick" to my hand with the .380 cartridge than either the Kahr or Kel Tec do with the far more powerful 9X19 round. I can understand the differences in power here, as well as the Heavier vs. Lighter platform, so that MUST be a matter of ergonomics. And, I'm not the only pistolero who's made this observation.

Sorry to be so long-winded on the subject. I am NOT AT ALL opposed to the little Walthers. I just feel you might want to shoot a few other pistols of the same general size, before you make a sizeable investment in your concealed carry piece.

Whatever your choice, I wish you great satisfaction, and the best of luck.

Johnny
 
I pretty much second Johnny.
The Walther PP series guns were state of the art from 1929 until quite recently.
They are still the .380/pocket auto against which everything is compared, and the PP's still hold their own against all comers.

I bought a Kahr K9 stainless a few years ago, and since it was about the same size, I retired the Walther PPK/s.

Whatever you may hear, the Walthers have a good reputation for quality, accuracy, and reliability.

If the current state of the art kahr hadn't come along, I'd still be using the PPK/s to trust my life to. I can't give a better recommendation than that.
 
I have switched from using a PPK to using the P99. It is bigger, but doesn't weigh much more. It is very concealable in both my Milt Sparks #1H and Dual Talon holsters. Any Walther will be top quality. However, being a collector of Walther's I will say that the German made ones are better. I had an American made PPK/S and it worked really well, but I traded it in on a German model.

P99
 
I carry the P99, although the P5 will do just as well. The false BS surrounding the S&W deal caused me to sell my original P99, and kept me from owning, or carrying a Walther for years!! The truth is this. Walther has nothing to do with S&W except for granting them an import distributorship, and licensing them to use patented technology!! That is all!!! The P99 is a fine gun that will provide you with years of service. Earl's Repair Service in Tewksbury Mass. www.waltherusa.net handles service, and repair for Walther handguns. They are also an importer!!!! So, you can get your Walther, and not even touch S&W!!!!:D
 
I bought a PPK/S .380 made by Interarms about a year ago. It was a total piece of crap. I couldn't even get 70 rounds through it because of multiple malfunctions.

When a dealer offered to buy it from me at a very good price, I jumped on it. I had it about a month. I hated to get rid of it, because I love the PPK because of its style, history, etc. But if the thing wouldn't work, there was no point in keeping it.

If you really want a PPK-type pistol, take a look at the Bersa Thunder .380. They're PPK clones, but they're supposed to be pretty good and they cost less than half what the Walther PPK does. I'm thinking of buying one myself to satisfy the PPK itch.
 
Go with the Kahr K9 or even smaller, the MK9. I have the MK9. Good pistol. No brainer. Still the PPK is cool and I would like to own one someday, just for fun. But for CCW go with the Kahr. Much better weapon for that purpose.
 
I just got back from my friendly gun shop. I asked the same questions of them as I asked of the forum.

Curly, they said the same thing you did. A Bursa .380 or a Firestorm .380 are PPK clones at less than 1/2 the cost. Feel and heft was the same as a PPK. Nothing fancy and not much opportunity to customize. Bursa had hard handles and really bad sites. The Firestorm had rubber handles but the sites were outstanding. The only cautionary note was there was not alot of leather options out there. The suggestion was to go to custom shop once I determined how I want to pack. Reliability was deemed to be good.

Next trip to the range I'll pump a few rounds through them. Does any one know if the Firestorm and Bursa digest reloads. I'll use reloads to practice and storebought for real.
 
Was just out shooting a stainless PPK, which has been owned for several years. Can share some opininated views. The pistol has been reliable and very accurate with all rounds tried, including 4 tupes of commercial hollow points. It has a lot of edges around the trigger,trigger guard and grip that need smoothed out, as they accentuate felt recoil.
Have to adapt my weak hand position to one where it is underneath the shooting hand.

After commenting on how reliable pistol was, let a friend shoot it. He had very large hands and couldn't shoot a single magful without it jamming. After he left, the pistol magically transformed back into reliability. Have come to conclusion this pistol needs to be gripped tight concentrating on fore and aft pressure (even tighter than most large semi's), for proper function and accuracy.

Have read alot of posts where size comparisons are made to newer 9mms. Have yet to see a Kahr that could possibly be as easy to conceal (PPK has much more rounded profile)
 
FEG SMC-380. Better quality than a lot of walthers I have seen. I got mine for $150NIB. Functions flawlessly. The SMC has a more inline mag-to-barrel feed relationship than the Walther. I have several hundred rounds through mine and nary a hitch.
 
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