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So the Canik TP9SA is completely SAO...

With a big decocker button on top...


I have seen and read several reviews for the original TP9, all praising it's value factor and how well it functioned. Then the new TP9SA version is released, and I see a few favorable reviews and videos about it, but I didn't get into them deeply.

It seemed to me to be an updated frame and mag design, for the better IMO, and an improvement to the SA trigger pull. It never dawned on me, as it was never really expressly said so in the reviews and videos I seen that it was pure SAO... Maybe I didn't pay enough attention.

And now that this detail has been brought to my attention, it seems silly to have a big decocker on the pistol for a SAO gun. I get that you can use it for disassembly, but if that is all it is for, a smaller more protected decocker would be best.


So what do you guys think?

Me, I think I would need recommend the original TP9 over the new TP9SA, even if the grip and mag design are not as good. (I dislike the huge base plate needed to fill out the grip) Sure it's not a huge danger that the decocker would get activated inadvertently, but we already try to eliminate other small potential problems from our defensive pistols, like mag safeties, so what's one more thing to avoid...
 
And now that this detail has been brought to my attention, it seems silly to have a big decocker on the pistol for a SAO gun. I get that you can use it for disassembly, but if that is all it is for, a smaller more protected decocker would be best.
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I've brought up this point before, but TP9SA owners tend to indicate that it is pretty much impossible to inadvertently depress the decocker.

The Walther P99QA had a similar (but smaller) decocker for dis-assembly, and there were no reports of problems with it.

Personally, I have a Walther P99AS with a similar decocker (larger button than the P99QA, but smaller than the TP9SA), and I have never inadvertently depressed it. But, being a DA/SA pistol, even if I did, it would drop back to DA mode rather than becoming inoperable.
 
I don't own any SAO pistols but can you drop a magazine when the gun is cocked? If not, it seems like the decocker would be pretty important?
 
I have heard complaints that it takes two thumbs to depress the decocker. How hard is yours to depress? If it is that hard to depress you should not have to worry about it accidentally depressed while carrying it.
 
I don't own one, just a thought from hearing about the pistol function.

If it is that hard to press then it shouldn't be an issue I guess. If owners feel it is an acceptable situation, then I guess if someone wants one, go for it.
 
as soon as you chamber the gun the striker is cocked. you can push the decocker, which doesn't take two thumbs by the way(but does take effort), and it's decocked. the placement is in front of the rear sight and I don't see any possible way to inadvertently become de-cocked since it needs to be pushed down into the frame. the decocker is flush so something would have to jam into the slide deep and forceful to become decocked. this action will obviously not allow for second-strike though if that is an issue.
the big red dot right under the sight is pretty hard to miss, if your concern is not knowing if it's cocked or not.
 
Single Action Only...

To differentiate pistols that have multiple versions of a base model with different manual of arms.

Say you can get pistol "A" in DAO, DA/SA, or SAO.

Pistols that are traditionally SA, are simply labeled as such.


So if you chamber a round and hit the decocker, it renders the gun incapable of firing unless you rack the slide again, correct?

I agree the location of the decocker makes it difficult to hit accidently, but I can imagine a scenario where it can... Unlikely as it would be, and most likely noticed when it happens.

Could someone grab the pistol in a struggle and cause a failure?

That is the scenario I think those who worry about it would be most concerned.


I think they need to update the original model with the new frame and mag, let people make the choice, but have the refinements no matter the choice.
 
I do not own any of the pistols in this thread, but just purchased a Sig Sauer,
P226 in 9mm.
The purpose of a de-cocker is to avoid an accidental/negligent discharge when trying to drop the hammer on a cartridge that is already in the chamber by pulling the trigger and trying to control the hammer.
You really have to push hard on the Sig de-cocker to make it work.
On a Walther PP,PPK or P38 the de-cocker is on the safety. If you want to fire you have to manipulate the safety to off to fire it
I see no problem with a de-cocker.
 
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You are correct...

The tp9 is a da/SA striker fired.

The tp9sa is a sao version of the pistol.

On the original, it allowed an extra layer of safety of a long trigger pull, and ease disassembly... On the sao version it aids disassembly only.
 
I think they need to update the original model with the new frame and mag, let people make the choice, but have the refinements no matter the choice.
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They're doing exactly that. They're going to release a V2 of the original TP9.
 
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I've been eyeballing these guns for quite some time now. I REALLY like the new design of the TP9SA but the SAO is a deal breaker for me. I will wait on the new frame design and the original DA/SA design. I happen to like a DA/SA Semi Auto pistol. My CZ82 started my love affair with that type pistol. The TP9 and its variants HAS IT ALL as far as I'm concerned and at a price anyone can live with.
 
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