VPC cites costs of registration -- stalking for confiscation

abruzzi

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The following VPC study of the cost of gun registration in Canada -- $327 million for 7 million guns -- is cited to support VPC's stance against registration and in favor of confiscation. VPC, arch enemy of HCI, is always a good source of info on the failings of HCI proposals.

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Licensing and Registration: What it Can and Can Not Do
How does licensing of gun owners work?

Licenses or permits to purchase are designed to restrict those who can legally obtain specific categories of firearms. Prior to obtaining a weapon, the purchaser must fill out a license or permit application form with the local or state licensing authority and pay all required fees. A background check, usually through the National Instant Check system, is then conducted. If the purchaser is approved a license or permit is issued. Licenses are of varying duration and often do not limit the number of weapons a person can buy.


What does registration of firearms add?

Through registration, national, state, or local authorities record the ownership of a specific firearm. Several states have implemented such systems. There is also an existing federal registration system that now includes weapons such as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and shotguns, silencers, and hand grenades. This system could be expanded to include handguns. This would be the most cost-effective and efficient method of registering America's arsenal of more than 65 million handguns.


What are the benefits of licensing and registration?

Licensing has an impact primarily on criminal gun use—aiding police investigations through tracing. It can help to identify and weed out criminals who are trying to purchase firearms through legal channels, and the application process itself may discourage casual buyers. Registration of firearms could speed the tracing of firearms used in crimes. Registration would also aid police in identifying the types of firearms to which an individual may have access.


What are the limitations of licensing and registration?

Licensing systems are very expensive to administer. Canada's experience with its full licensing and registration system, begun in December 1998, is not encouraging. The government originally estimated that the cost of licensing Canada's three million gun owners and registering their seven million guns would be $185 million [Canadian] over five years including a one-time start-up cost of $85 million [Canadian]. But, by March 2000 the Canadian Firearms Centre admitted that the system had already cost Canadian taxpayers $327 million [Canadian] and was running up an annual bill nearly 10 times higher than the government's original forecast. The March announcement also revealed that although 270,000 valid licenses existed from the country's earlier gun control system, only 142,000 new licenses had been issued. Using these figures as a baseline for America's arsenal of 65 million handguns, the estimated cost of such a system here is staggering.

Most importantly, licensing and registration in America would have little effect on the vast majority of gun violence, such as unintentional gunshot deaths, suicides and the majority of homicides, since most homicides are the result of arguments between people who know each other and who purchase guns legally.

From a political perspective, a battle over licensing and registration brings every gun owner into the fray. The NRA argument that licensing and registration is the first step towards gun confiscation has always been very persuasive with gun owners. In contrast, health and safety regulation of the industry focuses on the conduct of firearm manufacturers.

Advocates of licensing and registration often cite automobiles as an example of the value of licensing and registration: we register automobiles and license drivers, so why not guns? However, licensing and registration—the primary purpose of which was to enforce a system of taxation—had virtually no effect on automobile death and injury. It was not until the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration was established in the 1960s, and changes were forced in automobile design and the driving environment, that decreases were seen.

Finally, licensing and registration ignores the public health approach to reducing gun violence and disregards the lessons of consumer product safety by focusing on the user, and not on the manufacturer and the product itself.

In conclusion, licensing and registration can serve only as a supplement to regulation. But it can never substitute for comprehensive health and safety regulation of the gun industry.
 
"VPC, arch enemy of HCI, is always a good source of info on the failings of HCI proposals."

I hope that's sarcasm on your part. The VPC is just the propoganda arm of HCI.

I think licensing is a great idea myself. Let's start with those long-range sniper weapons capable of killing at more than a hundred yards. (Yes, that is my attempt at sarcasm). That way we get all those hunters who think evil black rifles are going to cause them to lose thier Remington off the fence.
 
$327 million Canadian is about $200 million, U.S.

7 million guns in Canada. Estimated 200 million guns in U.S. Roughly 30 times as many here as there. So, Six Billion Big Ones.

Ya mean, that's all it would cost to end all violence? A mere bagatelle, for such an effective solution!

Pardon MY sarcasm,

:)Art :)
 
By the way, that $327 million (Canadian) isn't for 7 million guns. Currently less than 300,000 firearms have been registered for that money.

Looks like compliance is going to be an issue.
 
The following paragraph is my favorite, not only because it admits that registration/licensing is useless, but they arrive at that conclusion based on a completely false premise.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Most importantly, licensing and registration in America would have little effect on the vast majority of gun violence, such as unintentional gunshot deaths, suicides and the majority of homicides, since most homicides are the result of arguments between people who know each other and who purchase guns legally.[/quote]

Do they ever actually think about what they are saying??? (rhetorical question)
 
" since most homicides are the result of arguments between people who know each other and who purchase guns legally."

I question the "legally" part of it, but there's no doubt that the gang-bangers know the other gang-bangers they're going to shoot. And we all know that it's those lads who are causing the problem. So does HCI and VPC, but they won't admit it.

Dick
Want to send a message to Bush? Sign the petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/monk/petition.html and forward the link to every gun owner you know.
 
Actually, the "arch enemy" stuff is not sarcasm. The guy who runs VPC now used to be on the board at HCI but left when HCI opted to support regulation only -- as a political expedient -- and abandoned confiscation as politically impossible. VPC was sort of a "red guard" type movement in response to the "sell out" of HCI.
 
I believe you're thinking of Josh Sugarman. While I certainly disagree with his conclusions, his honesty regarding his goal is, well, refreshing. And, this is an important source and contention to cite with the 'Million' Misguided Mommies ... even a source from their own side thinks registration is pointless.

Live and let live. Regards from AZ
 
This HCI sponsored study must have triggered VPC placement of its anti-registration, pro-confiscation article on the front of its web page. The laugh line is at the end where a Romanian immigrant announces that they have no gun problem in Romania. No snot!

Wash Post, 8-22-00Gun Control Favored By Teens, Poll Finds


By Peter Slevin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 22, 2000; Page A04

Ninety percent of high school students questioned in a national poll favor the registration of all newly purchased handguns and the licensing of handgun buyers, a New York college reported yesterday.


The numbers indicate greater support for gun control among teenage students than among adults, said sociology professor Dennis Gilbert of Hamilton College. He pointed out that 89 percent of the 1,005 polled students said anyone buying a handgun should first pass a safety course.


Although 93 percent of students described their schools as safe, one in four said someone in their neighborhood had been killed or seriously injured by a gunshot. Two in five said it would be easy for a student their age to acquire a gun nearby.


Gilbert and two Hamilton students shared a news conference podium with the Alliance for Justice, a Washington-based advocacy group that is sponsoring at least 300 gatherings across the country Oct. 2 to oppose gun violence. The events – including one in the District – are called First Monday 2000.


"We're hoping to spark legislative change, more ballot initiatives, more grass-roots organizing, debates, forums," said Nan Aron, the Alliance's president. Among other sponsors are Physicians for Social Responsibility and Handgun Control Inc. Aron said one goal in this political year is to "pressure candidates to talk about the issue in a nonpartisan way."


A spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association questioned the way the poll was conducted and the knowledge possessed by the high school sophomores, juniors and seniors.


"Are these teens aware of the fact that there are tens of thousands of gun laws already on the books in the United States that affect every aspect of the purchase, use and possession of firearms?" asked Patricia Gregory, manager of public affairs at the NRA, which favors stricter enforcement of existing laws. "A lot of important issues were left out of the questions."


The Hamilton poll, which has no official connection with the Alliance, was conducted among teenagers whose names were drawn from such lists as yearbook and class ring purchasers. About one-fourth each live in rural areas, suburbs and towns smaller than 100,000 inhabitants. Another 25 percent come from cities with more than 100,000 residents.


When students were asked whether they favor stricter gun laws, 64 percent said yes.


When the same students were asked whether they favored a specific list of gun control measures, about 90 percent supported each of four stronger actions, including 96 percent who said all handguns should be registered at purchase so they could be traced by the police in criminal investigations.


Eighty-one percent of the high school students believe the Constitution guarantees citizens the right to own guns. Yet among them, 63 percent said the rights of gun owners would not be violated by laws regulating the sale and use of handguns, the Hamilton study found.


Luciana Maxim, a Hamilton student who worked on the poll, came to the United States from Romania four years ago. Her reaction: "I was shocked. Romania has tons of problems of its own, but guns is not one of them."
 
New Poll of teen agers finds 90 % of our childern efficiently brainwashed against freedom,liberty and civil and constitutional rights by the public government indoctrination centers called by some "schools".

In their ignorance, they allow evil ,masqurading as good ,to grow and flourish.
 
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