VP70M information

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sks

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I've got an opportunity to purchase the H&K VP70M version of that particular pistol and was wondering how many had experience with it.

The friend who is selling it doesn't like the heavy trigger pull. I noticed that this same sentiment was posted here in a topic last year.

However, he said that in the 3 shot burst mode it was one sweet little shooter.

The VP70M is the one with the buttstock making it 3 shot burst capable as well as fuly auto.

That being said, I wonder if I can get it into the US.

Any thoughts on the weapon and it's possible introduction into the US?

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Thios belongs in the full auto section.. but I'd say if it wasn't in the country pre 86 you cannot "privately" posess it unless you are a stocking class 3 dealer...
 
Try : http://www.hkpro.com/VP70.htm

The very quick 2200 rpm cyclic rate of the three round burst, as I recall, was intended to sent the three bullets down range before the shooter experiences any recoil from the first round fired.

I think the importation of the VP70M nowadays is extremely difficult if not allowed, particularly for civilian use.

IIRC, the gun was designed specifically for anti-terrorist work after the Münich Olympics incident. Not many law enforcement departments in the US thought they needed anything that radical.

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It sort of belongs in full auto. The selector switch is on the buttstock so without that all you've got is a 9mm semi auto pistol. Correction to my original post in that there is no full auto only a 3 shot burst.

Someone help me out also with the 9x21 round designation. What is that?

Now I'm wondering if you imported the pistol by itself and then happened upon a buttstock later on. :)

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The 9x21 might be the 38 Super... but I honestly have no clue. How much is the HK he's selling?

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No, the 9mmm para/NATO is a 9x19mm round. The 9x21 round was made to get around the rules in france prohibiting civilians from owning weapons chambered in military calibers. The 9x21 just has a longer case but still has a OAL of the 9x19.

NJW in AZ
 
No you cannot import it. No new full auto firearms for individuals since 1986. If it wasn't registered before that, you can't get it registered now. 3 shot burst meets the definition of full auto under govt regs, only one discharge per trigger pull is permitted. The firearm is full auto, with or without the buttstock. Even if it were a VP70Z (semiauto only version of the VP70M) and you attached a buttstock to it you would be creating a short barrelled rifle, also a Class III firearm, and that would be just as illegal as importing an illegal full auto firearm. You can't legally do anything that you have suggested.
 
JeffOTMG the weapon is not full auto without the butt stock because the activator switch is on the buttstock. Without that you have only a semi auto handgun. Is there something I'm missing?

Also, if attaching a buttstock makes it illegal just for being a short rifle then are the buttstocks for the Glocks also illegal? Just wondering as I personally have no idea.

The price for the gun is $800.

Thanks for the info on the 9x21 round. I knew that someone here would have the info.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sks:
JeffOTMG the weapon is not full auto without the butt stock because the activator switch is on the buttstock. Without that you have only a semi auto handgun. Is there something I'm missing? [/quote]

Yes. The recievers of the two guns should be different. They have to be because ATF considers the receiver the gun and the gun could not be imported as a semiauto if using a full auto receiver. This was true of AK type rifles as well and the FAL and the Galil and the AUG. I suspect that the 'M' model has a dual action sear, one side a racheting sear for the 3-shot burst and with the stock removed the sear is in the standard position allowing only semiauto fire. I don't know I have never seen one, only in pictures. Could a piece of wood or metal be inserted into the stock slot and have the pistol fire full auto? If not, and the mechanism is some sort of sear trip system contained in the buttstock then the stock would be the restricted item as is an AR-15 DIAS (drop in auto sear). This is also the case with the H&K 91, 93, 94 series, the fire control parts are in the lower receiver.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sks:

Also, if attaching a buttstock makes it illegal just for being a short rifle then are the buttstocks for the Glocks also illegal? Just wondering as I personally have no idea.
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No, the Glock stock is not illegal, nor would one be illegal for a modern BHP or Colt 1911, BUT if you owned the stock and the gun that it went to (provided it was not listed as a C&R gun as Broomhandles, original Lugers, and some BHP's) then you would be in possession of a SBR. This is also why the stock for a VP70Z was never offered. If you hooked it to a semiauto pistol you still have an illegal SBR. If you own an AR-15 and M-16 internal parts it is the same thing, even if the M-16 parts are not installed. They claim it shows intent and as we have seen in the recent Maadi-Griffen case in Az. if a gunsmith with the proper tools can make it work then you have the gun. A SBR is a Class 3 firearm and has the same paperwork required as a full auto does. The only difference being that you can still make and register a SBR, you can't a full auto.
 
Thanks for the good info!

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