Voter fraud? In America!?

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Redleg

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Voter fraud is something you think about when you see a third world country voting democratically for the first time ever. It is not something you think about going on at your local polling station. With all the talk about illegal voters, missing ballots and ballot boxes, not to mention THREE recounts in Florida before appeals, it begs the question, are we, the people, the deciding factor in our nations elections? Or are they influenced by the "powers that be" just like so many other aspects of government these days? The caption on CNN this morning read "Locked Ballot Box found in Florida"! WHAT? What do you mean, "found"? Did it turn up on a beach like in Puerto Rico several years ago where thousands of ballots for the challenging candidate for Governor washed up several days after the incumbent was pronounced the victor? This is America for crying out loud! Ballot boxes don't just turn up after states have been claimed. I can understand the media jumping at the chance to pronounce Gore the winner but to be so wrong, so many times, about so many aspects of the election, it has to be more than just liberal news coverage. What's going on here folks?

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Matthew J. Giegler
US Army
Fort Irwin, California
"GUN CONTROL MEANS USING BOTH HANDS!"
 
well said, unfortunatly historicly in error.

i have been born and bred in pennsylvania,since before there was a country there has been vote fraud of one sort or another.
my grandfather died in 1929 and voted till 1941. my grand mother was the machine ward heeler for her area and was good for 260 votes standing in her socks. deaders,repeaters,box switches,rigged machines (to the embarrassment of one judge of elections a vote machine was rigged with more votes than were registered in that ward,oops)to the almost standard payola for votes. this has been with us in PA always.
the big change has been the personal morals of those elected and of those voting. democracy works until the electorate realizes they can vote themselves wealth from the public purse. after that it takes a revoulution... either bloody or of spirit. nothing else suffices.

rms/pa
 
Yep, it's estimated that 5,435 deceased persons have voted in the State of Alabama
elections, in the past 20 years? Wonder how
many "deceased" vote's were cast for the one and only "Three Dollar Bill"? :rolleyes:

Regards,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
I was in the Phillipines for the Marcos-Aquino race in Feb 86 and it was a real hoot!

If I remember correctly, approximately 10 million votes were cast, and about 25 million of those went to Marcos(no I didn't say that backwards).

Some vote counts exceeded the know population of the districts. Vote results came in from towns not know to exist... etc... you get the point.

Tom
 
Well now. "Voter fraud" is a pretty harsh term.

Let's look at things fair now. Is it right to deprive someone of their civil rights? Their right, duty, and obligation to vote?

Of course not. If a person is sick or injured and can't get to the polls, why we carry him there.

And it just don't seem fair to deprive some of our honored beloved who have passed on the right to express their views, as we know they'd see things, just because they have passed the pale.

(That's p-a-l-e, Son, not p-a-i-l. ;) )

Here. Have a Shiner Bock. Lemme 'splain this to ya.....
 
I apologize, I may have been hasty in my description of "voter fraud". Certainly it's fair to use the name and ss# of a dead war vet to cast a vote for a draft dodger (slick Willie). After all, the vet would have wanted it that way. Then his grandchild would have the chance to experience Christmas in the Balkans because said draft dodger feels it necessary to keep a military presence there. And don't forget the unregistered immagrants in California, who received "Voter Assistance Cards" from Al Gore to take to the polls with them. Never mind that they may not even be citizens yet! That certainly shouldn't prevent them from participating in America's fundimental freedoms!

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Matthew J. Giegler
US Army
Fort Irwin, California
"GUN CONTROL MEANS USING BOTH HANDS!"
I am not afraid to attach my name to my beliefs!
 
Sad, Very Sad :rolleyes:

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We preserve our freedoms by using four boxes: soap,ballot,jury, and cartridge.
Anonymous
 
Keep in mind as the coming arguments against the Electoral College are produced by mushbrains - In a purely popular election only states like CA, TX, ect. would have been awarded any attention.
A vote fraud scheme has to steal popular and thus electoral votes on a state by state basis. This is much more difficult (for all sides) logistically.
Constitutional issues (like RKBA) are easy to ignore by candidates in a pure head count.
 
Voter Fraud? In America? It'll never happen here. :rolleyes:

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Mr. Freeman,

"Mushbrains"?

Few electors are required to vote in accordance with the popular vote.

- In "winner take all" states, the minority of voters are completely disenfranchised. The concept that their vote counts becomes absolutely bogus - a lie!

- Also CNN said that in some states (I believe he said 25 states) electors are not required to vote in accordance with the popular vote of their state. You could have a 90% majority vote for candidate A but, if the electors so chose, every elector for the state could vote for candidate B.

Now, it would seem to me, as one of your "mushbrains", that if government officials can appoint electors who are not beholden to the voters, then the phrase "We the people" doesn't mean much.

Those who feel the people should have a say in selecting our oligarchical leader have every right to question the entire concept of an "electoral college". ;)

Only those Americans who believe government officials should elect our leader can support the electoral college.

Choose your political friends wisely, friend. Our government no longer wants us to be armed and free Americans. Putting your voice and vote in the hands of government officials does not strike me as a vote for freedom.

YMMV.

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
If it weren't for the electoral college, we'd be doing all this over again in a run-off. Neither one had >50% of the popular vote.

Even though Bush won 60% of the "United States".

Voter fraud is a fact of life, just like petty theft. No matter how difficult we make it to do, there will always be a way. The worst mistake we could make is to assume that technology has made it a problem of the past.
 
Fraud? How about all those illegal aliens who vote in Kalif. And they vote democrap. The law enforcement folks are scared to do anything as they do not want to be branded as racist.
 
Dennis, Please forgive my "mushbrain" label. I do not name call simply because someone disagrees with me and it was not meant for anyone other than the self annointed constitutional "scholars" currently being trotted across my TV screen. Hey, George Will recently called them "simple minded majoritists" and he got paid! :)

I do find it a bit confusing when we who support RKBA and the constitution so passionately are so easily swayed to believe that a portion of the most effective document in the deterrence of tyranny ever conceived is suddenly flawed when it temporarily appears not to serve our personal agendas.

Dennis, when Rosie states that the 2nd Amendment is "obsolete" would it be safe to assume that mushbrain is tame compared to some of your own terms for her? :)

Did the framer's get it all right except for that danged Article 2, Section 1 ?

The fact that you see abandoning this portion of the constitution as a "freedom issue" underlines the extent that the Federal Gov has usurped powers and distorted its place in our lives. Would we pay half the attention to this race if we had a constitutional republic in place?

Consider this - We were founded as a Union of States NOT a nation. I cannot find the term nation in my copy of the constitution. Federal leaders were to be chosen by agreement among states NOT the people of a nation.

This is an important distinction, my friend who shares my passion for freedom!


"Only those Americans who believe government officials should elect our leader can support the
electoral college."

Mr. Madison thought otherwise. Like his political friend Jefferson, in the end, they both got it right.
 
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