Violence in videogames...

Sciri

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Hey all...

I just wrote a short article on violence in videogames and I'd like some opinions on it. The Web site I wrote it for doesn't have that many pro-gun articles, so I'd like to hear some of your thoughts on my work. Heck, if you feel so inclined, anyone can sign up to write articles (and get paid) for this Web site, so it'd be great to get some more pro-gun viewpoints online in a more mainstream/public forum. So far, my article has gotten a surprisingly positive acceptance.

http://uberauk.epinions.com/game-review-FB5-1DDC7D9-389602E6-prod5

/Sciri/

I guess this lets the cat out of the bag as to my real name. ;)


[This message has been edited by Sciri (edited February 08, 2000).]
 
Great article Sean,

Both my friends and I play violent video games and own firearms. Inanimate objects are blamed for tragedies much too often. Many people today are afraid of personal accountability, so they blame guns, video games, movies, music, the internet. It is difficult to determine why people turn to violence, so they take the easy way out and point the finger at a scapegoat that cannot fight back, inanimate objects.

I agree, we should all write some pro-gun articles and opinions and publish them on the web. We can also sent copies to all the major newspapers. We need to let the average public know that todays "gun culture" is one of the least threats to society.

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"Ray guns don't vaporize Zorbonians, Zorbonians vaporize Zorbonians" The Far Side
 
Well written article. Not entirely sure I agree with you 100%, but what the heck - it's an opinion piece, and I don't have to.

But let me get this right. They'll pay for this? Shucks, I've got lots of opinions, and I think everyone is entitled to them. (Guess that's why I post here. Used to try and post on HCI's discussion forum, but gave up trying to find it. What? They don't have one? They don't welcome logical discourse? No, no, that can't be right...) So anyway, how does one go about getting paid to tell others what one thinks? I gotta get in on this!

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"...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
Luke 22:36
"An armed society is a polite society."
Robert Heinlein

[This message has been edited by mk86fcc (edited February 08, 2000).]
 
If you want to sign up and get paid, simply go to uberauk.epinions.com and click on one of the "Join Now" link at the top of the page. The payouts are pitiful to start ($0.03 for each time someone reads one of your articles), but if you choose to be an expert in one of the categories (I'm currently an Automotive expert on the site) the payouts go up. I average around $40/week in extra cash.

/Sciri/
 
Was it Al Gore who mentioned something about video games making kids "more accurate shooters?"

Hmpf. I pumped a lot of quarters into "Hogan's Alley" when I was in high school. In grad school, I forget how many hours I wasted letting off steam playing "Doom."

But when I fired a handgun for the first time straight out of grad school, and got my first pistol a few years later, none of that "training" seemed evident.

As far as the effects of these games go, I admit to having paid a few hundred for "first-person shooter" type games. I also used to listen to heavy metal (many moons ago). A few years ago, I found faith, and became part of a non-mainstream religious group. And now, I own a gun, and carry concealed when I can.

According to the cry-tear-ia (yep, I deliberately misspeld it) of the liberal agenda, I'm among one of the most dangerous people in existence.

But, the truth of the matter is, to date, if you look at my legal record, you will find nothing apart from a few traffic citations. Furthermore, apparently I am stable enough and trustworthy enough--despite the aforementioned "evil" influences--for people to have trusted me for years with their kids as a counselor, caregiver, and teacher.

Nope, there's something else at work, and it's inside a person. It causes them either to snap at the smallest frustration, or gives them the wherewithall to endure a multitude of hardships.

jth

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Don't give me a "smarter" gun.
Make me a smarter shooter :D
 
I wrote something similar here:

http://www.knifeforums.com/ubb/Forum43/HTML/000082.html

This issue is sad in a way because I see video games as harmless fun. But fear is gripping so tightly, telling that to the masses becomes a difficult, uphill battle. For example:

http://www.pastornet.net/ymc/TeenViolence.html

http://www.mediafamily.org/1998vgrc2.html

Fortunately, others are less biased and willing to report both sides of the story. Example:

http://www.foxmarketwire.com/wires/0507/f_ap_0507_5.sml

But however we knock it, it all eventually comes to one place:

http://www.killology.com/

What makes it so difficult is that it's a very polarized issue no thanks to Columbine. And we've got an academic with diplomas and degrees up the wahzoo with many more Ph.Ds and the like backing him up!

And what are we, the simpletons, suppose to do or say? Just because we play video games and know first hand it's not evil makes us wrong?

Even if ONE or TWO people out there who are genuinely loco ready for mass killing sprees, do we know for a fact that video games indeed is a primary contributor in delinquent behavior?

Oh wait, you guys HAVE to read the comment made by Mike Males:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0609606131/o/qid%3D943152142/sr%3D2-2/002-6338977-4433807

It's not that I fear not being able to play video games or anything. It's the fact that people can be so overwhelmed by NEUROSIS that it leads to CRUCIFIXION.
 
You know, the root of the entire argument could probably be summed up in a quote in pastornet's article:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Why do people kill or hurt others? David Grossman is a military psychologist and an expert in a relatively new field: killology. Grossman says that killing is unnatural. In an article entitled "Trained to Kill", Grossman says, "Killing requires training because there is a built in aversion to killing one's own kind." (Grossman). [/quote]

First of all, has anyone mentioned to this guy that Grossman INVENTED the term, "Killology"? Why wouldn't he be an expert of his own buzzword?

See, here is the root of the problem. He sees how difficult it is for people to kill each other. He therefore assumes that that's because the aversion to kill is built-in, as if we were born with it.

I disagree.

For people to have a built-in concept of killing would imply that we also have a built-in understanding of death itself. Without it, we can not grasp the consequences of killing.

When I was a small child, I used to kill insects all the time. I didn't mean to kill them on purpose. I was curious what would happen if I put insects in jars or underwater, etc. But I ended up killing them nonetheless. To the best of my recollection, my conscience was not bothered. I simply did not grasp the concept of death and killing. (Now that I'm older, I've learned to respect life, including bugs... except house roaches. They're open game. :))

As you can see, my personal experience directly conflicts with Grossman's speculation. And I'm willing to bet that I'm not the only one.

On the other hand, I do believe that the aversion to being killed is built-in. Anyone who doesn't believe me, try holding their own breath.

True while bugs are one thing, I tend to think that killing humans are no different. We just learned from very early on that harming, let along killing humans, is a grotesque and despicable act.

Imagine if such values were never introduced or enforced? The best example I can think of is Vlad the Impaler.

We're kind of a funny lot today. Many people would squirm at the thought of having to slaughter a cow with their own hands, and yet we eat red meat all the time. My point here is that we're so far removed from anything that has to do with killing that when it does strike home, people freak out.

I know I am not a Ph.D. and I don't have a spiffy website with my own buzzword. Nor do I have research and publication to back up the claims I have just made. But if you read my ideas with an open mind, I think you'll find that they are sound.

In the end, I'll be more than happy to buy my son violent video games. Keeps him out of trouble. Better for him to stay home playing games rather than to be out gang banging for real. So you see, even the end result contradicts Grossman's claims.

[This message has been edited by SB (edited February 11, 2000).]
 
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