Vids of concealed draws

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CraigJS

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I may have missed some somewhere but I don't recall ever seeing a video, private or pro of a carry piece being drawn from any kind of cover garment.
I've seen many of the fast draw (sub 2 second) videos from holsters hanging free with NO shirt, jacket, sweat shirt, or vest to slow the draw. I've read many posts about practice for a fast and smooth draw, pressing out for the sight picture, proper grip, trigger control etc. BUT never anyone ever showing it being done, properly or not properly.
A video showing the good and bad points of different types of cover gear would do so much more than showing that sub second double tap, from a Blade Tec (etc.) DOH, by a guy that has done that draw 1000's of times..
Anyone know of any?
Be safe.
 
Not sure there is a video, but buy one of those Front Sight certificates mentioned in another thread and go to the handgun class. They will have you drawing from concealment and putting rounds on target in less than 2 seconds.
 
i was thinking about this the other day and all i could think of was a book by Massad Ayoob i believe, that shows the best way to draw from concealment, the title escapes me now, but it has great pictures. I practice drawing and dry firing my concealed weapon hundreds of times before i feel comfortable walking out into the real world with it on. I dont practice much at the range, seeing they dont like that too much. With my 1911 or HK iwb at 4-5 o'clock covered by a coat and shirt, i can draw and fire in roughly 2 seconds, less if just a t-shirt. Find a carry style that works best for you, allows you easy draw, but is concealable, and then practice practice practice. The best method is not always the one "some instructor" showed you. Do what makes you comfortable. Mine is a flip and draw, where i use my strong (trigger) hand to push the clothing back quickly then draw from an open top IWB holster. I even practice scenarios where the holster might come out with the gun because the clip is weak or whatever. I just take my belt off and practice drawing and use my support hand to whip the holster off. I guess this sounds kind of extreme, but we're not talking about hitting out of a sand trap here.
 
Why did he drop the magazine out onto the ground and leave it...and after only 2 shots....and what was he pulling off of the top of the gun? A stovepipe round? (or is this just hollywood-looks-cool-but-makes-no-sense)
Later I'll try to take and post a series of pictures that show Bill Jordan drawing from a under a sportcoat if I get the chance
 
Doug said:
Why did he drop the magazine out onto the ground and leave it...and after only 2 shots....and what was he pulling off of the top of the gun? A stovepipe round? (or is this just hollywood-looks-cool-but-makes-no-sense)
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He dropped the mag and stripped the round from the chamber in order to unload the gun prior to leaving it near the dead body.

I read somewhere (maybe The Gun Zone?) that the weapon was unloaded and left behind so the shooter would appear innocent to anyone arriving on scene, and so he didn't have to worry about anyone picking up his gun and using it against him.

Edit: Yeah, it was The Gun Zone who had the story. Click Here to read Zubiena's account of the scene.
 
stripped the round from the chamber in order to unload the gun
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sheesh I looked again and he did that even faster than when he drew the gun (y'all sure this is Miami vice and no the Six Million Dollar Man?). I didn't even see the slide go back, and it looked like only his thumb and index finger touched the slide. (but maybe it looks fantastic to me because my two automatics, a Springfield Armory 1911A1 and a Sig 226 have real strong slide springs)

EDIT: I just checked your link, thanks

EDIT: the more I watch it, the quicker my eyes get, I can now actually see the slide going back, but I just can't imagine doing that with one of mine
 
Yeah, the guy is ridiculously fast compared to my own capabilities so it was a little hard to discern, let alone believe. But it does appear he's doing all that is claimed... only he's doing it real darned fast.

Vid quality isn't that great either. Resolution might hamper one's ability to pick out each little nuance.

Edit in reply to your edit: he's probably using a tricked up race gun or some such contraption.
 
Jim was one of the early SWPL champs (IPSC shooters of course are familiar w/the "surrender" position). I had heard that Michael Mann told him not to worry "we will speed up the film" and Jim told him "don't worry, you won't have to."
I will do some concealed draws as soon as I sort out the situation with my editor. I'll post them here when I do.
 
They're not videos, but it's photoshots of Bill Jordan doing two different types of quickdraw from concealment. (It would have been great if these had been filmed back then and converted to youtube video today. I understand Mr. Jordan was pretty good himself if not the best.)

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I read on another forum (so it must be true) that he was an IDPA (or whatever) pro and it was habit to clear the gun due to the rules of the competition. They just left it in cause it looked so good.
 
Remember, movies can manipulated and tweaked very little to make things with movement look very fast.

Normal movie speed is shot at about 24 frames per second. That works because we see at that rate. Our brains recieve about 24 visual signals per second. (Hawks recieve about 80 visual signals per second.)

If an event is filmed at 20 frames/second it would appear faster than usual if you show it at 24 fps. Most professional cameras have these adjustments so this would not be hard to do.

Mark.
 
Remember, movies can manipulated and tweaked very little to make things with movement look very fast.
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This is true. No reason to believe it was done in this case though. Men who can draw at Jim's speed are rare but not like hen's teeth.

Normal movie speed is shot at about 24 frames per second. That works because we see at that rate.
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It works because it adequately simulates motion, not because we see at 24 frames per second. And it doesn't always work. Traditional movie shots have "blur" in them. But with a digital movie, where every frame is crystal clear, the movie will stutter at 24FPS.
 
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In the Miami Vice clip, the sound of the gunshots are the only thing not legit. They were recorded in later on a soundstage (and only 2 shots). You can plainly see three muzzle flashes from Jim's .45, and that he changes his point of aim to the head. Mozambique drill from concealed. Badazz!
 
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