Heard something about this going on over in England but never thought that it would happen here. Just read in my local paper that our town is putting up video cameras at every single traffic light in town to keep an eye on it's citizens. Depending on how it works out, the program will be expand to other cities and states. I'll try to find a link to the story.
Video Cameras On Every Street Corner -- 1984 is Here!
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Darryl Howland
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FUD,
That has already happened up here in Michigan. Along most of the highways at the over passes you will see the cameras looking down at you. Now some of the cities are doing the same thing. "They" have been telling us that it's for the traffic but then you see where "they" pan the camera around to get a look at the whole area, not just the highway/intersections. Good Morning Big Brother!
That has already happened up here in Michigan. Along most of the highways at the over passes you will see the cameras looking down at you. Now some of the cities are doing the same thing. "They" have been telling us that it's for the traffic but then you see where "they" pan the camera around to get a look at the whole area, not just the highway/intersections. Good Morning Big Brother!
Put one in front of every gunshop, scan all the drivers licenses, add some nifty "character" recognition software and - hey presto - have list of all firearms vendors visiters.
Put one in front of every church - churchgoers...
In front of bars - drunk drivers...
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Put one in front of every church - churchgoers...
In front of bars - drunk drivers...
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CoastieN70
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Friends,
You're 15 years late. They waited 'till 1985 to start installation of the camera systems so as to lessen the heat!
You're 15 years late. They waited 'till 1985 to start installation of the camera systems so as to lessen the heat!
They were testing them out here in Sacramento a few months back. They were hailed as a great success as they were forcing people to stop at the red lights. Way the system works here is, if you run a red light the camera takes a snap of your license plate and they mail you a bill for the ticket. Just another revenue raising measure?
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Richard
The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
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Richard
The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
Bruce in West Oz
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Had 'em for years here -- red lights, at railway stations, in the city centre, on the main freeway, in shopping malls .....
Scratch your ringpiece here and someone's watching you.
Hasn't done much for crime, though ....
B
Scratch your ringpiece here and someone's watching you.
Hasn't done much for crime, though ....
B
Don't think it's got much to do with "fighting crime."
Saw a piece (Discovery chnl?) awhile back which showed some guy in London being tracked all across town & I mean ALL over town - pretty amazing (& chilling). Some other guy, aware of the cameras & to protest, ended up putting on a Preadtor suit & hung out till the bobbies came - pretty funny.
Heard on the radio last summer that if you live in an American city, you can expect of be on somebody's "candid camera" as many as 35 times a day ....
Saw a piece (Discovery chnl?) awhile back which showed some guy in London being tracked all across town & I mean ALL over town - pretty amazing (& chilling). Some other guy, aware of the cameras & to protest, ended up putting on a Preadtor suit & hung out till the bobbies came - pretty funny.
Heard on the radio last summer that if you live in an American city, you can expect of be on somebody's "candid camera" as many as 35 times a day ....
I work as a Network Consultant for a Public Works department and was out last week with the traffic tech who were installing a camera at an intersection. They were having trouble connecting a laptop to the traffic control camera.
Here's what the camera does I saw it with my own eyes.
The camera is setup to detect traffic in preset spots in the traffic lanes. Like right turn lane, left turn lane and through lane. When these "spots" fill up with cars the traffic light is signaled to change. It's just another method of traffic control instead of timed light changes. It's way more effective and manages traffic better.
The main reason they use them is when the street or intersection is under construction instead of having timed lights or loop detectors in the pavement and having to dig these up and move them the camera can simple be turned and a new Spot in the lane or maybe new bypass lane and configured with a laptop computer and away you go.
It's really very cool.
Sorry no Big Brother here just traffic control.
Now these cameras are diffrent then the ones on the freeways. Those do move and can view traffic from many diffrent angles.
Here's what the camera does I saw it with my own eyes.
The camera is setup to detect traffic in preset spots in the traffic lanes. Like right turn lane, left turn lane and through lane. When these "spots" fill up with cars the traffic light is signaled to change. It's just another method of traffic control instead of timed light changes. It's way more effective and manages traffic better.
The main reason they use them is when the street or intersection is under construction instead of having timed lights or loop detectors in the pavement and having to dig these up and move them the camera can simple be turned and a new Spot in the lane or maybe new bypass lane and configured with a laptop computer and away you go.
It's really very cool.
Sorry no Big Brother here just traffic control.
Now these cameras are diffrent then the ones on the freeways. Those do move and can view traffic from many diffrent angles.
Seems I read something a while back, that there is a spray coating you can apply to your license plate that won't affect its visibility to the naked eye but makes it impossible for these cameras to get a readable pic of your plate. I think it is some kind of reflective coating.
Perhaps someone can shed further light.
Perhaps someone can shed further light.
I can see it now, in 10 years we will be hearing something to the effect of:
"We have cameras at stoplights, cameras on our highways, cameras in our government buildings....what is so terrible about placing cameras in our residential neighborhoods to ensure the safety of our children".
"We have cameras at stoplights, cameras on our highways, cameras in our government buildings....what is so terrible about placing cameras in our residential neighborhoods to ensure the safety of our children".
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bookkie:
They were testing them out here in Sacramento a few months back. They were hailed as a great success as they were forcing people to stop at the red lights. Way the system works here is, if you run a red light the camera takes a snap of your license plate and they mail you a bill for the ticket. Just another revenue raising measure?
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Fortunatly, since you are never pulled over for these tickets (just like photo radar) and you never signed the ticket, you can just file them under round.
They can't prove you ever were sent the ticket (not sent registered mail) and you never were arrested as you were never pulled over and signed a promise to take care of it.
Since they can't prove you recieved the ticket, you never got it.
They were testing them out here in Sacramento a few months back. They were hailed as a great success as they were forcing people to stop at the red lights. Way the system works here is, if you run a red light the camera takes a snap of your license plate and they mail you a bill for the ticket. Just another revenue raising measure?
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Fortunatly, since you are never pulled over for these tickets (just like photo radar) and you never signed the ticket, you can just file them under round.
They can't prove you ever were sent the ticket (not sent registered mail) and you never were arrested as you were never pulled over and signed a promise to take care of it.
Since they can't prove you recieved the ticket, you never got it.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Leadfoot:
Seems I read something a while back, that there is a spray coating you can apply to your license plate that won't affect its visibility to the naked eye but makes it impossible for these cameras to get a readable pic of your plate. I think it is some kind of reflective coating.
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Not totaly correct. This applies to cars being tracked via laser. Most license plates are very reflective and are what the cops are taught to aim for (expecialy on darker cars). If you coat it with a clearish paint, it will difuse the beam instead of reflecting it.
The better trick is to aim the plate up or down about 10-20° so that it reflects the beam away from the gun.
The best way to deal with a ticket sent via mail, that is NOT registered mail AND you never signed for, is to throw it away. They can't prove it was ever delivered.
Photo tickets are usualy not even issued by a LEO. They are sent out to a firm to deal with who processes the film and send the tickets out. They get a cut from any fees that are collected.
Not very "sportsman like" is it?
Seems I read something a while back, that there is a spray coating you can apply to your license plate that won't affect its visibility to the naked eye but makes it impossible for these cameras to get a readable pic of your plate. I think it is some kind of reflective coating.
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Not totaly correct. This applies to cars being tracked via laser. Most license plates are very reflective and are what the cops are taught to aim for (expecialy on darker cars). If you coat it with a clearish paint, it will difuse the beam instead of reflecting it.
The better trick is to aim the plate up or down about 10-20° so that it reflects the beam away from the gun.
The best way to deal with a ticket sent via mail, that is NOT registered mail AND you never signed for, is to throw it away. They can't prove it was ever delivered.
Photo tickets are usualy not even issued by a LEO. They are sent out to a firm to deal with who processes the film and send the tickets out. They get a cut from any fees that are collected.
Not very "sportsman like" is it?
There are 2 types around here (Austin TX) The small traffic control ones around intersections and regular closed circuit cameras. The closed cirduit cameras can be found along highways and at intersections to monitor people running red lights, as that is a habit of most Austinites. I dont particularly like the closed circuit camreas as they are just one more step closer to Big Brother being able to watch you all the time. As for tickets, the camera/radar instalations in Europe take a picture such that the driver is visible so you cant claim it wasnt you driving. If all the ones here are taking pictures of the plates then tehy are useless as far as revenue generation goes. At least with the laws as they are today. Tickets are not issued to the cars breaking the law, but rather the driver. However, guve that our society currently believes that guns cause crime, I dont see it impossible to have the registered owner of the car be held responsible for its actions. For now, these stupid tickets can just be trown away unless they are delivered registered or for that matter have a picture of you sitting behind the wheel runnig a light.
When I was in Germany (1960-1976) it didn't matter who was driving. If the Polizei had a picture of your car (date, time, place, KPH) exceeding the speed limit, you (the owner) paid.
I know. In 1972 (or '73) I got a such a ticket driving my girl friend's car. She was the daughter of the local police chief! Oy!
Of course, that was long ago. I have no idea what the Germans use these days.
I know. In 1972 (or '73) I got a such a ticket driving my girl friend's car. She was the daughter of the local police chief! Oy!
Of course, that was long ago. I have no idea what the Germans use these days.
They have had cameras along the tourist trap areas of Honolulu for years. Sitting in the police station, you can monitor a bank of cameras and watch folks anywhere in the area.
Supposed to be used to combat the evils of prostitution and public drinking.
Too many religious fanatics in Hawaii (very strong radical Morman presence, of all things)...more than happy to rule your life for you, via Orwellian observation or otherwise.
Glad the AF saw fit to move me out of that festering pit and back to America.
I may not have been born in Texas, but I got here as fast as I could.
Alex
Supposed to be used to combat the evils of prostitution and public drinking.
Too many religious fanatics in Hawaii (very strong radical Morman presence, of all things)...more than happy to rule your life for you, via Orwellian observation or otherwise.
Glad the AF saw fit to move me out of that festering pit and back to America.
I may not have been born in Texas, but I got here as fast as I could.
Alex