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Vatican Discloses Secret of Fatima

By Adam Brown
Associated Press Writer
Saturday, May 13, 2000; 9:34 a.m. EDT

FATIMA, Portugal –– The Vatican disclosed today that the so-called
third secret of Fatima foretold the 1981 assassination attempt against
Pope John Paul II, ending a mystery that some had feared was
apocalyptic.

Believers hold that the mother of Christ appeared before three shepherd
children in 1917 in Fatima and gave them three prophecies, two of which
have been reported: a vision of "hell," interpreted as World War II, and
the rise and fall of Soviet Communism.

After years of speculation, the Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Angelo
Sodano said today that the "third part of the secret of Fatima" speaks of a
"bishop clothed in white" who "falls to the ground, apparently dead, under
a burst of gunfire."

Sodano recalled that Pope John Paul has credited the Virgin of Fatima
with intervening after he was shot by a Turkish gunman in St. Peter's
square on May 13, 1981 – the anniversary of the first reported vision of
the Virgin of Fatima in 1917.

The pope beatified two of the shepherd children today during a 24-hour
visit to Fatima. Beatification is the final step before sainthood.

About 600,000 people watched under the hot sun as the pope performed
a 2½-hour ceremony to beatify Jacinta Marto and her brother Francisco,
who said the Virgin Mary appeared to them and their cousin Lucia dos
Santos above an olive tree six times here.

Many in the crowd applauded when they heard the long-awaited third
secret, announced at the end of the pope's Mass. Some said they were
eager to hear more details while others expressed disappointment that the
secret did not foretell a momentous event, as many had speculated.

"What they said all happened in the past," said Julio Estela, a 33-year-old
car salesman from the northern Portuguese town of Trofa. "This isn't a
prophecy. It's disappointing. I think there's more."

The shepherd children died of pneumonia two years after the visions, at
the ages of 9 and 11.

Dos Santos, now 93 and cloistered since 1929 in a Portuguese Carmelite
convent, received communion from the pope along with children dressed
as shepherds.

She said a silent prayer beside the tombs of her cousins before joining the
beatification ceremony in Fatima's neo-Baroque basilica.

The pope was driven through the cheering throng for 40 minutes in the
popemobile before taking his chair and raising his right hand in salute
before the beatification.

Infirm people on cots and in wheelchairs and thousands of children
flanked the altar where the pope performed the ceremony.

Afterward, the pontiff visited the tombs of the dead shepherd children in
the Fatima basilica.

The pope is said to have a special fondness for Fatima since 1981, when
he was wounded in the assassination attempt.

"I desire once again to celebrate the goodness of the Lord toward me
when, severely struck on May 13, 1981, I was saved from death," the
pope told the crowds in his homily. "I also express my debt to the blessed
Jacinta for the sacrifices and prayers made for the Holy Father, whom she
saw suffer greatly."

One of the bullets fired is placed in the crown of the statue of the Virgin
Mary at Fatima, a town of 8,000.

When he came to Fatima on May 12 the following year to thank the
Virgin, the pope survived another assassination attempt by a
fundamentalist Spanish priest who lunged at him with a bayonet, accusing
him of betraying the Church.

In contrast to his apparent weakness and slurred speech on arrival in
Fatima on Friday, the pope early today appeared more animated,
gesturing frequently to the crowd.

In a surprise gesture Friday, John Paul donated to the Virgin of Fatima a
cherished gold ring his late mentor Warsaw Cardinal Stefan Wyszynski,
the Polish primate, gave him in 1978 when he became pope.

This is expected to be his last foreign trip this year amid a heavy agenda of
2000 Holy Year commitments

Crowds of pilgrims from Portugal, the United States, South America and
Africa slept in their cars in the open air or in tents on the grass as they
waited for today's beatification.

"It is beautiful what the pope is doing for the children," said Lise Bento, a
30-year-old pilgrim from Cape Verde who came to Fatima with her three
small children to see the pope for the first time. "It's an amazing
experience."

Like the shrine at Lourdes, France, Fatima draws huge numbers of visitors
– local officials estimate 6 million – each year.

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On the Net:

http: http://www.vatican.va
 
Something dont sound right here.

they disclose the other two revelations of Fatima. But they keep the 3rd one secret from 1917, only to disclose in May 2000 that it was about an assasination *attempt* that happened back in '81?

Huh?

All this secrecy and waiting for nothing?

Got a funny feeling theres more to it than this?

MH.
 
And we're talking about this on a firearms forum because . . . . . . ?

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"Anyone feel like saluting the flag which the strutting ATF and FBI gleefully raised over the smoldering crematorium of Waco, back in April of ‘93?" -Vin Suprynowicz
 
We are talking about this because it proves that if you just wait long enough, just about any possible prophacy you want to make can be seen to come true.
You just need faith.
 
It's an example of how the masses, pun intended, can be manipulated to suit the whims of those in power.
 
Deanf:

This is not the "Firearms Forum".

This is the "General Discussion" forum. That means that generally, *anything* can be discussed.

MH.
 
"After years of speculation, the Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Angelo
Sodano said today that the "third part of the secret of Fatima" speaks of a
"bishop clothed in white" who "falls to the ground, apparently dead, under
a burst of gunfire."

Sounds like a prophetic, spiritual gun thing to me. Something we hope all to avoid. This IMHO is still a bit of propaganda and I am a good old altar boy who said the mass in latin. Not knockin religion, just the politics of it sometimes.
I respect this pope who presides over a large portion of the souls of this planet. The cultures vary, the mythology doesn't so much. Thats's why I also like Joseph Campbell. The myths unite us. The story is more valuable than the forensics. Anyway Fatima is a GREAT story and take from it what you wish. The rest is up to the popes' boss.
 
Well, that's a load off my mind....

Seriously, I was raised Maronite, and I don't know how many nights I lay awake as a kid worrying about what the third prophecy was!

I had been led to believe by the Monsignor that it was a doomsday prophecy. Wasn't that the party line?

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*quack*
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>There are only four rules for participation:

1) All Topics and Posts must be related to firearms, accessories or civil liberties issues.[/quote]

The fact that the word "gun" is used in the post does not make it firearms related. Obviously it's not accessories related. Civil liberties?

One might ask why I'm splitting hairs about this.

It would be one less post I'd have to wade through to get to the good stuff about guns that is on TFL . . . . somewhere.


[This message has been edited by deanf (edited May 13, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by deanf (edited May 13, 2000).]
 
Kind of like how some skipped over the Forum Policies when they registered?

[This message has been edited by deanf (edited May 13, 2000).]
 
Actually no.

because free speach is in fact a "civil liberties" issue. Like you mentioned.

But if a post disagrees with your point of view, it seems you would like to cup your hand over the mouth of those who disagree with you.

MH.
 
I have no dispute with the content of the post. I am only familiar enough with the issue to know that it's not firearms, accessories, or civil liberties related.

There is no "free speech" guarantee here at TFL. This is a private board, maintained on private property; available for your use if you follow the rules.
 
Deanf:

...and apparantly you have tremendous issues with me so much as making a mention of the "content", of this post.

MH.
 
I don't mind an occasional off topic or non firearm post myself. I believe hob knobbing is the way it's listed in the description.
In my f*ed up point of view, being multidimensional is far more relevant than being single minded. The whole idea of responsible gun ownership, to me anywho, means we aren't a bunch of automatons, dragging our knucks, and saying "gUnZ ROCK!"
The fine line, and the moderators come into play when the general face of the forum displays an excess of non gun related topics. I appreciate the color that goes into the forum, from all aspects. If I see something I don't want to read I pass on it. An identifier, such as OT (off topic) is appreciated, and is a matter of common courtesy. One of the reasons I suggested moving the get together threads out of the general are was the proliferation of non and semi related gun topics. I feel fellowship is just too important to lose in the quagmire of the General area. As the number of members increase, the number of "soft" users also increases in proportion. Think in terms of the local watering hole, vs the clubhouse at the range. In case you're wondering, or even if you don't care, 79 hearty souls have signed on to TFL in the last week. Up from 60 the week before.(check the number on the main page) This means new people, and new people bring new points of perspective. I love shooting, and could talk about it all day long. A lot of the newer members range from raw new, to seasoned shooters. A year ago it was unheard of to see a post that said "Hi. I'm new to shooting. Tell me why I should buy a gun." Now that type of post is common place. I see this as a wonderful chance to make our mark. TFL has it's own flavor and is unique in it's presence. Name one other, non mfg specific, non commercial site with this number of members....

YMMV. Me, I'm going to enjoy the beauty of the morning by cooking off a few rounds.

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I guess I'll go over it again, one more time, and then shut up about it.

I'm not particularly interested in the topic of the post, other than to notice that it has nothing to do with Firearms, accessories, or civil liberties issues.

I try to look at every post to see if I can gain any useful knowledge of firearms, accessories, or civil liberties issues. Posts that have nothing to do with firearms, accessories, or civil liberties obstruct me in this regard. Such posts are in direct violation of the rules of TFL.

Technically, no, free speech is not a civil liberty. A "civil" liberty (or right) is one that is laid down by statute (in other words, granted by the government.) A Constitutional right is one that is enumerated in the Constitution, like the free speech right.

The only issue I have with you, MH, is your violation of TFL rules in making the original post. "Tremendous"? No.
 
Personally, I don't mind the odd off topic thread, it adds color as said previously. Someone else has posted a college co-eds filmzine review of the new Gladiator movie, using highly tenuous "but it deals with issues of Civil Liberty" links to justify its inclusion here, ah well, just as long as it doesn't get out of hand. BTW you are also supposed to take one on one disputes to e-mail, they die out fast that way, no audience you see.

Am I the only person here who has actually been to Fatima, earlier this year in fact and we are both Methodists (well kinda) !!
The town is a shrine to money and the shrine a monument to something less tangible. Lucia's house has remained largely untouched and there is a simple path out back leading to the shrine and the site of the "vision", there is also some kind of spring there, the water from which was dispensed from an old metal bucket and tasted anything but holy. The only prediction that appears to have been revealed before it actually happened (WWI and WWII, the rise of communism in Russia and now the shooting of a Pope) was the premature death of 2 of the children. Witness the kind and benevolent Virgin Mary appearing to 3 innocent young children out playing and telling them that 2 of them would soon be dead, nice huh. Shortly after this Jacinta and Fransisco took to drinking filthy ditch water and beating their legs with stinging nettles as a pennance for our sins, shortly afterwards they were both dead. Is this post sacriligous, hey you want disrespect, my wife, who was born Catholic neglected to tell her ignorant husband that you were supposed to get your own candles before lighting them and placing them in the outdoor rack at the Fatima Cathedral, so I re-lit someone elses that had gone out. So much for my eternal soul.

Mike H
 
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