(VA) Some who are licensed to carry weapons commit crimes

Oatka

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Dump on these guys, folks. This is the worst case of B/S I have seen in years. Note the "arrest" (not convicted) and "alleged" passed off as absolutes.

You can reach these intellectual whores via: asorense@pilotonline.com

Some who are licensed to carry weapons commit crimes

By VIRGINIAN-PILOT EDITORIAL BOARD
© 2000, The Virginian-Pilot

Whoo-ee! Talk about customer service. Anyone panting to pack heat now can swagger into the Portsmouth Sheriff's Department any hour of day or night and, after plunking down 15 bucks, apply for a concealed-handgun permit.

What a deal. The Sheriff's Department's round-the-clock, cheapest-in-the-region service for anyone eager to join the dressed-to-kill minority cheers all who believe the gun lobby's mantra that an armed society is a polite society.

A sheriff's spokesman says the department's no-sweat application process will accommodate all who have trouble getting to government offices weekdays between 9 and 5. Applying for a concealed-handgun permit will be easy as pie.

Isn't that how Virginia's lawmakers want it? Aren't all duly licensed pistol packers upright citizens whose hardware protects themselves and others from predators?

That's the gun-lobby line. And Virginia legislators swallowed it hook, line and sinker when they added the Old Dominion to the list of ``shall issue'' states, now numbering about 30. In ``shall issue'' states, anyone meeting specific criteria can obtain a permit to carry.

Texas lawmakers also subscribe to this notion. They sent a ``shall issue'' bill to Gov. George W. Bush, who's as devoted to the gun lobby as Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore, and Bush signed it. Hadn't the National Rifle Association assured all and sundry that, unlike the run of citizens, Americans licensed to carry handguns are ``law-abiding, upstanding community leaders''?

By May 2000, nearly 212,000 Texans held active concealed-handgun licenses, at $140 a pop. That fee is a lot higher than Portsmouth's, but perhaps Texas officials saw no need for discounts to encourage a proliferation of concealed guns.

And nothing so piddling as the 23 arrests of law-abiding, upstanding community leaders holding concealed-handgun licenses for murder or attempted murder between Jan. 1, 1996, and April 30, 2000, has shaken lawmakers' conviction that every Texan roaming the streets legally armed is a Boy Scout.

Neither have 11 arrests of other armed-and-ready law-abiding, upstanding community leaders for alleged kidnappings or false imprisonment, nor the 60 arrests of other licensees for alleged rape or sexual assaults during the same period.

Nor the 183 cases of alleged assault or aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Nor the 41 arrests for indecency with children, the 227 arrested for drug-linked offenses, the 752 charged with drunken driving, the 100 charged with sexual misconduct, the 34 arrested for trespassing or criminal trespassing or the eight charged with arson. We have the NRA's assurance that they are model citizens and defenders of civilization, every one of them.

But these aren't Virginia statistics, you say. Of course not. Texas requires police to collect and report data about arrests of concealed-weapon licensees. Virginia does not.

The Washington-based Violence Policy Center has calculated that Texas licensees were arrested for weapon-related offenses at a rate 66 percent higher than the general adult population of Texas.

About the ``shall issue'' experience in Virginia, where 89,500 citizens hold active concealed-handgun permits, we can only wonder.

This is not to besmirch all concealed-weapon licensees. Many seek permits for legitimate reasons of self-defense. Even so, Texas' experience demonstrates that concealed-handgun licensees commit crimes too.

Perhaps Virginia's lawmakers assume that the licensee crime rate in Texas, like everything else there, is just bigger.
 
Hmmm. I see the words "arrested", "charged", and "alleged" repeatedly in this article. What I don't see, however, are words like "convicted" or "sentenced." Why is that, I wonder? And even if we take these numbers at face value, that means that 0.35% of the permit holders have been arrested for DUI (the highest number); which means, conversely, that 99.65% have not. What I'd really like to know is how many of these arrests resulted in convictions...

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"...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
Luke 22:36
"An armed society is a polite society."
Robert Heinlein
"Power corrupts. Absolute power - is kinda cool!"
Fred Reed
 
I would be much more interested in the *convictions* of licensees. Every shooting will most likely result in some detainment until a grand jury decides whether to indict. So far as I know, every killing in Texas by a CHL holder has been held to be justified.

Anyone know different?
 
Across the board CCW liense holders are involved in less crime than non-CCW holders. Fact is that folks that go through the process of obtaining a license to carry are overwhelmingly law abiding.

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"Get yourself a Lorcin and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol."
 
My response:

"Dear Editor,

Congratulations, your editorial on CC permits in Virginia is a masterpiece of spin, propaganda and lies that would make Herr Goebbels jealous were he alive today. Note that "alleged" and "arrested" are terms repeatedly used in this article. What I don't see, however, are words like "convicted" or "sentenced." Why is that, I wonder? And even if we take these numbers at face value, that means that 0.35% of the permit holders have been arrested for DUI (the highest number); which means, conversely, that 99.65% have not. How many of these arrests and allegations resulted in arrests? Please do the math next time, and report the facts. Or at least warn your readers that you are lying through your teeth. I am tired of being demonized by your ilk-- you insult all law abiding citizens and hunters in this country who own firearms with your cheap pandering to ignorance. Sell your our tripe elsewhere".
 
Sorry for the huge graphic...I couldn't find a way to make it smaller and readable at the same time:

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Talking raw numbers is meaningless. Crime rates are what's important (unless you are trying to write a slanted article). For more on Texas CCW crime rates, check out this source:
http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba324/ba324.html

The author of the Virginion-Pilot article needs a serious injection of reality medicine.

[This message has been edited by GnL (edited September 07, 2000).]
 
Further...

I sent the following to the editorial board of the paper along with a copy of the article I linked above:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Did you do any research at all before writing your editorial?

When you discuss absolute raw numbers as you have, of course you will find some bad seeds. Take a look at the crime rates for concealed carry vs. general population, however and you get a totally different picture (see the attached article and graphic).

Your biased, uninformed, liberal agenda is embarrassing and an insult to those that actually do their own research. Of course you know that most of your readers won't bother so what the hell. Print whatever furthers your agenda.

Congratulations on a misleading piece.[/quote]

Won't make a damn bit of difference but makes me feel better.
 
Yep, yet another case where even simple statistics would show you what the facts are. But why confirm an already written "statistic" from VPC.
 
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