V Tech shooter shopped E-Bay for mags

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Virginia Tech Gunman Purchased Ammo Clips on eBay
Saturday , April 21, 2007

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BLACKSBURG, Va. —

The Internet activities of the Virginia Tech gunman provided more insight Saturday into how he may have plotted for the rampage, with revelations that he bought two ammunition clips on eBay.

Seung-Hui Cho purchased two empty clips about three weeks before the attack in which Cho killed 32 people and himself. The clips were designed for one of the two types of handguns he used.

Cho, 23, also used the account to sell items ranging from Hokies football tickets to horror-themed books, some of which were assigned in one of his classes.

EBay spokesman Hani Durzy said the purchase of the clips from a Web vendor based in Idaho was legal and that the company has cooperated with authorities.

A search warrant affidavit filed Friday stated that investigators wanted to search Cho's e-mail accounts, including the address Blazers5505@hotmail.com. Durzy confirmed Cho used the same blazers5505 handle on eBay.

Virginia State Police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said investigators are "aware of the eBay activity that mirrors" the Hotmail account.

The eBay account demonstrates the prime role computer forensics and other digital information have played in the investigation. Authorities are examining the personal computers found in Cho's dorm room and seeking his cell-phone records.

One question they hope to answer is whether Cho had any e-mail contact with Emily Hilscher, one of the first two victims. Investigators plan to search her Virginia Tech e-mail account.

Experts say that when the subject of an investigation is a loner like Cho, his computers and cell phone can be a rich source of information. Authorities say Cho had a history of sending menacing text messages and other communications — written and electronic.

On March 22, Cho bought two 10-round magazines for the Walther P22. A day later, he made a purchase from a vendor named "oneclickshooting," which sells gun accessories and other items. Details on the purchase were unclear, and the seller could not be reached for comment.

Cho sold tickets to Virginia Tech sporting events, including last year's Peach Bowl. He sold a Texas Instruments graphics calculator that contained several games, most of them with mild themes.

"The calculator was used for less than one semester then I dropped the class," Cho wrote on the site.

He also sold many books about violence, death and mayhem. Several of those books were used in his English classes, meaning Cho simply could have been selling used books at the end of the semester.

His eBay rating was superb — 98.5 percent. That means he received one negative rating from people he dealt with on eBay, compared with 65 positive.

"great ebayer. very flexible. AAAAAA+++++" the buyer said of his Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl tickets, which went for $182.50.

Andy Koch, Cho's roommate from 2005-06, said he never saw Cho receive or send a package, although he didn't have much interaction with the shooter. Students can sign up for a free lottery on a game-by-game basis, and the tickets are free.

"We took him to one football game," he said. "We told him to sign up for the lottery, and he went and he left like in the third quarter, and that was it. He never went again. He never went to another game."

Durzy, the eBay spokesman, said the company has been assisting investigators since the start of the case.

"Within 24 hours, after Cho's identity was made public, we had reached out to law enforcement to offer our assistance in any investigation," Durzy said. "In looking at his activity on the site, we can confirm that at no point that he used eBay to purchase any guns and ammunition. It is strongly against eBay policy to try to sell guns and ammunition."

Attempts to reach the Idaho dealer were unsuccessful.

Cho sold the books on the eBay-affiliated site half.com. They include "Men, Women, and Chainsaws" by Carol J. Clover, a book that explores gender in the modern horror film. Others include "The Best of H.P. Lovecraft: Bloodcurdling Tales of Horror and the Macabre"; and "The Female of the Species: Tales of Mystery and Suspense" by Joyce Carol Oates — a book in which the publisher writes: "In these and other gripping and disturbing tales, women are confronted by the evil around them and surprised by the evil they find within themselves."

Books by those three authors were taught in his Contemporary Horror class.

Experts say things like eBay transactions can be hugely valuable in trying to figure out the motivation behind crimes.

An examination of a computer is "very revealing, particularly for a person like this," said Mark Rasch of FTI Consulting, a computer and electronic investigation firm. "What we find ... particularly with people who are very uncommunicative in person, is that they may be much more communicative and free to express themselves with the anonymity that computers and the Internet give you."

Cho's computer could hold a record of just about anything he has done, even of activities or communications he may have tried to erase. But Rasch said that likely will not be a problem, noting the way the gunman created a record of his thinking in videos, photos and documents.

"This guy wanted to leave a trail. He wasn't trying to conceal what he did," Rasch said.
 
I guess we will now see legislation similar to GCA 68 but this time they will ban mail order magazines and firearm parts.
 
On March 22, Cho bought two 10-round magazines for the Walther P22.

Oh-oh. I guess the antis will start reviewing their decision in 1994 to make 10 round mags legal. Seems that ten may now be too many since he bought exactly what they say we should all own.
 
It's too bad when some people make so much out of nothing just to sensationalize a non-existant, "Problem", just to add to a story. He bought mags on E-Bay - To the reporters I ask, so?????????
 
What the hell is newsworthy about where and how the creep bought his legal mags?

Because it lays the foundation for the argument that we should limit internet sales as it could arm those that should not be armed. Something akin to "what? you can buy magazines and ammo without a background check!?"

Maybe not the best argument, but there you have it.
 
Again, so what? You can also buy cars and parts on EBay, and knives, axes, and power tools. ALL are used in the commission of a crime. You didn't have newscasters asking questions of the dealership where that idiot who jihaded his SUV into a campus, killing several people, how they felt that they had sold the "murder weapon".

Explosives are also tightly controlled internationally, yet they are actually the FAVORED means of killing in the majority of the world. Perhaps we should ban explosives and go back to hand digging all over the globe?
 
Again, so what?

Absolutely normal response for your side of the argument. However the other side sees things differently. Hopefully they will see the fruitlessness of this wholly un-CSI-like discovery sooner than later.
 
Personally, I think that the "found accessories on the net" issues by the nutcase are irrelevant (non-issue). Buying mags & ammo is perfectly legal, regardless of where bought. The public is either going to buy into the idea of banning handguns, or standard-capacity mags, or they're not going to buy into bans. Doesn't make a whole lot of difference the precise avenue of commerce used, retail stores or net buying.
 
I find it ironic that they have determined that he bought 10 round mags after all the hype and bulls*** about high cap mags that the media was throwing around right after it happened. I also don't see the reason to report where he got his mags. He could have bought them just a easily from a brick and mortar store or a mail order catalog as the net.

-Russ
 
How long before E-Bay no longer permits firearm accessories to be sold on its site? Hard to believe that this was actually reported as news. Global dimming at its finest.
 
The media these days are so stinkin' ignorant. They are MAGAZINES, not CLIPS!

If the common term is "clip" (and, believe it or not, in the whole of society it is) then the media is not inaccurate for using the term. "Magazine" may be the preferred term for firearm enthusiasts, but the three online dictionaries I just checked seem to think "clip" works just fine too.

It may have been "wrong" at one time, but language evolves. And has since the dawn of time.


And no, I see no reason this is news...he could have bought these in a store just as easily. He probably got them on eBay because they were cheaper and he had some time to kill while he waited to purchase his second pistol.
 
ConcealCarryNY said:
No crap I think he outbid me. No joke
:eek: Though I'm danged well aware that buying those particular magazines out from under him wouldn't have changed a thing, I know I would have been willing to fork over the extra couple bucks in those circumstances. Yeah, it makes no sense, but I'd feel that way all the same.

Anyway, while we're on the topic of the magazines he used, has anyone heard anything specific about the magazines he had in his 9mm? After almost a week of "high capacity clips" I finally read a Newsweek article saying that the magazines had a capacity of fifteen rounds. If that's the case, then I think saying "high capacity" is more than a little misleading since there are also thirty-three round magazines available that fit that firearm...
 
If that's the case, then I think saying "high capacity" is more than a little misleading since there are also thirty-three round magazines available that fit that firearm...

I completely agree that calling 15 round mags "hi-cap" is ludicrous. However, a common party line is 10 rounds for self defense. Anything more is for the bad guys, I guess. Hence 15 rounds rather than 10 make them "hi-cap". (Don't blame me, I voted for Perot! :eek: )
 
I completely agree that calling 15 round mags "hi-cap" is ludicrous. However, a common party line is 10 rounds for self defense. Anything more is for the bad guys, I guess. Hence 15 rounds rather than 10 make them "hi-cap". (Don't blame me, I voted for Perot! )

Bad guys or cops, pretty much.

Yeah, I think any reference to hi-cap magazines is in relation to the old AWB...so anything more than 10. I'm sure even a 12-round magazine would have been referred to as "high capacity."
 
Though I'm danged well aware that buying those particular magazines out from under him wouldn't have changed a thing, I know I would have been willing to fork over the extra couple bucks in those circumstances. Yeah, it makes no sense, but I'd feel that way all the same

Yea the dollar I saved seems kinda stupid now.
 
I completely agree that calling 15 round mags "hi-cap" is ludicrous.

Then you haven't been to CA where the law remains as it was on the federal level prior to the repeal.

SOURCE

CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE
SECTION 12020-12040

12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison:

...

2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be
manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or
exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity
magazine.

...

(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any
ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10
rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it
cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action
firearm.
 
I went to CA and did a bit of shooting with Skunky and the first thing he said was "Is that a hi-cap mag?" When I stated it was and my father-in-law had lent me the firearm (Beretta 92F) he said, grinning, "I knew you wouldn't come here without committing a felony. That hi-cap mag is illegal unless your father-in-law is standing here."

It seems that to lend a hi-cap magazine that is grandfathered in CA the owner has to be with you. Otherwise, it is a felony for both of you.
 
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