Utah to suspend the 2nd during Olympics?
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What do you mean...
..."suspend the second amendment"? If it's any reassurance, they didn't kick down the door of any CCW holders in Atlanta while the Olympics were there. I'm interested in what the rationale for such behavior would be, anyway. Do they think that there's a Mormon faction of Black September who, though particularly law-abiding and CCW-permit-holding citizens most of the time, are going to get "activated" from their sleeper status when the Israeli bobsled team shows up?
..."suspend the second amendment"? If it's any reassurance, they didn't kick down the door of any CCW holders in Atlanta while the Olympics were there. I'm interested in what the rationale for such behavior would be, anyway. Do they think that there's a Mormon faction of Black September who, though particularly law-abiding and CCW-permit-holding citizens most of the time, are going to get "activated" from their sleeper status when the Israeli bobsled team shows up?
Marko Kloos
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I don't know why this is so difficult to grasp for most politicos. The Bill of Rights cannot be "suspended", neither can its articles be "suspended" or "revoked". The BoR does not grant these rights, it merely recognizes them, and "getting rid" of the Second does not get rid of the right described therein. That's why they're called "inalienable" rights, not subject to majority rule or permission/revocation by the government.
If the majority of voters in the US decided to "get rid" of the First Amendment, does that mean that everybody lost their right to free speech? Nope...you have that right by virtue of birth as a free human being, the right is inalienable and not subject to revocation, not even if everybody else in the country wants to revoke it.
If the majority of voters in the US decided to "get rid" of the First Amendment, does that mean that everybody lost their right to free speech? Nope...you have that right by virtue of birth as a free human being, the right is inalienable and not subject to revocation, not even if everybody else in the country wants to revoke it.
Robert the41MagFan
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If you mean that the legislature is going to prohibit firearms anywhere the games are being held, then yes, they can! Your answer to that is, don't go. And don't waste money on Olympic related items.
During the Millennium celebration, we were planning going to town, enjoying a fine dining and watch the city celebration. Mayor ordered a gun free zone, even for CCW holders. We didn't go and they didn't get my $400 for dinner. That simple! Any business, organization or event that posts "Gun Free Zone" does not get my money. I save on money and buy more guns!
Robert
During the Millennium celebration, we were planning going to town, enjoying a fine dining and watch the city celebration. Mayor ordered a gun free zone, even for CCW holders. We didn't go and they didn't get my $400 for dinner. That simple! Any business, organization or event that posts "Gun Free Zone" does not get my money. I save on money and buy more guns!
Robert
There are probably precedents for "suspending" civil rights all over the place. The biggest one that comes to mind started during the early part of the US Civil War.
Pres. Abraham Lincoln, the so-called Great Emancipator, was also the Great Incarcerator. He suspended the Writ of Habeus Corpus. This meant people could be arrested and held indefinitely with no charges. A violation of due process.
When the Chief Justice of the US, Roger B. Taney, started to complain, Lincoln considered locking him up too.
Lincoln did manage to keep the Maryland General Assembly from meeting to vote on seccession from the US, by locking up many of its members, plus other prominent Marylanders, at Fort McHenry in Baltimore.
You have probably seen incidents during various urban riots where there are curfews and prohibitions about selling firearms, ammo, gasoline, liquor, etc.
Pres. Abraham Lincoln, the so-called Great Emancipator, was also the Great Incarcerator. He suspended the Writ of Habeus Corpus. This meant people could be arrested and held indefinitely with no charges. A violation of due process.
When the Chief Justice of the US, Roger B. Taney, started to complain, Lincoln considered locking him up too.
Lincoln did manage to keep the Maryland General Assembly from meeting to vote on seccession from the US, by locking up many of its members, plus other prominent Marylanders, at Fort McHenry in Baltimore.
You have probably seen incidents during various urban riots where there are curfews and prohibitions about selling firearms, ammo, gasoline, liquor, etc.
U guys r nuts
Article 5, section 3 of the US Constitution clearly allows suspension of the Bill of Rights if ordered by the International Olympic Committee.
Given the bribery scandal of the IOC in Salt Lake, I wonder if the IOC said you can have the 'lympics if you ban guns?
Nah, not the IOC!
Rick
Article 5, section 3 of the US Constitution clearly allows suspension of the Bill of Rights if ordered by the International Olympic Committee.
Given the bribery scandal of the IOC in Salt Lake, I wonder if the IOC said you can have the 'lympics if you ban guns?
Nah, not the IOC!
Rick
Its the standard political nonsense. I'm a Utahn and I'm still not sure what they finally decided about banning CCW from Olympic venues. Frankly I'm skipping the whole damn thing.
Right now the law says that we can carry wherever we want except for "secure" facilities, i.e. jails, courthouses. And these places have to have guards, metal detectors, and a place to store you gun. Now they are trying to add Olympic venues to that, and for some utterly incomprehensible reason the City and County buildings during the Olympics. Utah Gun Owners of America is fighting this. (A very hardworking bunch by the way, who are using e-mail alerts with great effectiveness). They alert whole slews of gunowners via e-mail everytime there is another asinine law. We all call our legislators, and lots of folks show up for the meetings. So far UTGOA has done a great job of stopping nonsense like this.
Freaking politicians. Even here in one of the most conservative places on the freaking planet we still have idiot politicians. ARRRGGGHHH.
Think about how asinine this is. You are a terrorist. The olympics are your big chance to cap a whole bunch of whomever it is you have a grudge against, and be guarenteed that it will make the news. So the obvious solution is to ban CCW holders from UTAH! Freaking UTAH! from carrying at the games. Gee whiz that will stop Osama Bin Laden/Carlos the Jackel/Fidel Castro/Boris and Natasha/Darth Vader/(insert favorite bad person here). What the hell are they thinking!
Tamara, I'm not aware of any Mormon terrorist groups. At least not in this century anyway.
We tend to be rather peaceful, most of the time. Damn those Isreali bobsleders though...
Right now the law says that we can carry wherever we want except for "secure" facilities, i.e. jails, courthouses. And these places have to have guards, metal detectors, and a place to store you gun. Now they are trying to add Olympic venues to that, and for some utterly incomprehensible reason the City and County buildings during the Olympics. Utah Gun Owners of America is fighting this. (A very hardworking bunch by the way, who are using e-mail alerts with great effectiveness). They alert whole slews of gunowners via e-mail everytime there is another asinine law. We all call our legislators, and lots of folks show up for the meetings. So far UTGOA has done a great job of stopping nonsense like this.
Freaking politicians. Even here in one of the most conservative places on the freaking planet we still have idiot politicians. ARRRGGGHHH.
Think about how asinine this is. You are a terrorist. The olympics are your big chance to cap a whole bunch of whomever it is you have a grudge against, and be guarenteed that it will make the news. So the obvious solution is to ban CCW holders from UTAH! Freaking UTAH! from carrying at the games. Gee whiz that will stop Osama Bin Laden/Carlos the Jackel/Fidel Castro/Boris and Natasha/Darth Vader/(insert favorite bad person here). What the hell are they thinking!
Tamara, I'm not aware of any Mormon terrorist groups. At least not in this century anyway.
We tend to be rather peaceful, most of the time. Damn those Isreali bobsleders though...I don't recall the manufacture, but a large gun company offered to provide an olympic model, I believe a 45 cal or possibily a 40 cal with 5 olympic rings engraved on the model. A definite collectors item. All security personnel and the local LEO's would recieve said model free of charge. Also the company would proivide free training for all security personnel. The offer was turned down by the IOC. Probably not enough kick back to the officials!