Use public misconceptions for our side: make a 'Repeal the FOPA' meme.

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Heist

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As we can see by the assault weapons ban blitz in the media, facts are left behind while emotional rhetoric and false memes are propogated.

Many sheeple believe that because of the AWB expiring, 'full auto' weapons are freely available.

The 'Firearms Owners' Protection Act' sounds gun-positive. Proper fact manipulation and media presentation could forward a 'repeal the fopa' meme that would be uncounterable by the media / antigun organizations even if they did get wise, unless they wanted to blatantly counter themselves. It would utilize the same wording assumptions they presented during the AWB period, in order to force them into that position.

Firearm Owners Protection Act (1986), made it legal to travel across jurisdictions with severe firearm restrictions with unloaded, secured firearms if possession is legal at both ends of the journey; eliminated record-keeping requirements for the sale of ammunition and components; removed the requirement for a Federal Firearm License to receive ammunition and components across state lines; a last-minute amendment banned the sale of newly manufactured machine guns to anyone other than a government agency.
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All of those could be lived without for a short while, and then placed back in in a new bill- and hello real world machinegun prices.
 
Um,
why would you want the FOPA repealed?

Isn't it the only thing that makes states like MA unable to utterly prohibit you from bringing a gun through the state even when you can legally possess that gun in the state you left and the state you're going to?

If you want to drive from Arizona to Oregon, let's say, and part of your course will take you through some of California, isn't the FOPA the specific legislation that keeps California from telling you that you may not cross the state with your guns?

Before we work to repeal it because of its bad parts, let's make sure we will somehow be able to retain the good parts. I imagine it's the full-auto ban that you dislike. (Correct me if I'm wrong; I am not versed in all of the provisions of the FOPA.) But to me, full auto is not nearly as important to regain as it is to retain the interstate travel protections.


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Whoop, sorry. I just read the quoted material you posted, and you did mention the interstate travel protection that I was thinking of.

Um, I think it is wildly irresponsible (and maybe even selfish) of you to suggest that "we could live without those other protections for a 'little while' ". After all, WHO KNOWS WHEN and WHETHER we would get back those other protections, and how much of a fight it would involve.

But take away those protections, and there are definitely people around -- probably even some posters here -- who would find themselves unable to travel from their homes to their hunting grounds, because they have to travel through a state that would leap at the chance to make transporting a firearm a crime.

But it would be for "only a little while." :rolleyes:

Just how important is it to have newly manufactured machine guns, again? How many of us can afford to feed 500 rounds per minute through our guns in the first place?


-blackmind
 
I'm of the opinion that we're better off with no protective legislation than protective legislation with a poison pill attached.
 
Why does it have to be one right vs. the other?
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Strategy. It causes the pro-gun side to fight among themselves instead of sticking together to fight the antis. They antis have been doing it to us quite successfully for many years now.
 
OK, so what if they repeal it?

Kennedy and Schumer will tack a one line amendment on the bill.

"The sections pertaning to NFA weapons will remain in effect."

Then where will you be?
 
Bad idea. Eliminating lots of good things to get one other good thing.

You don't have to repeal the whole thing. You can just repeal the part pertaining to the NFA goodies, and leave the rest intact.

And if you do repeal it all, expecting to get the rest passed later, what happens when it doesn't happen?
 
That's exactly what I'm saying.

But Heist seemed to be suggesting that he doesn't care that lots of people would be affected by the repeal of the various protective parts of the FOPA, such as traveling across states with strict gun ownership laws. I'm appalled that just in order to get full-auto guns, which we would never carry for CCW, or even use much anyway, he is willing to let a lot of people be told they are screwed if they want to take their guns, even locked in the trunk, through other jurisdictions toward their legal shooting destination.

What percentage of gun owners do you think can afford to fire full auto, much less wish to, much less have access to a place where they're allowed to? Even if all we lost was the interstate protections, is that worth having full auto be easily available again?

-blackmind
 
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