Saw a article called upland angles which you use a trap thrower then you take some hola hoops and place them about 12 feet behind the thrower in a semi circle. You get 25 birds released one at the time but you get two shots at each one. the birds are released up to 3 seconds of delay from when called for at the discretion of the target puller also you have to keep your gun at waist height when you call for the target. Just wondering if any one had tried this and what they thought. R hoffler