Is kicking the bad guys testicles somewhere to the region of his larynx un-gentlemanly ? Or say, hitting him in his adam apple a no no ? These are the only guaranteed ways of Winning I know of. Any other (dirty) tricks worth considering ? I am really talking small person vs big person here....HS
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Rich Lucibella
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Right thumb thru right eye socket tends to get their attention.
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HS,
If he's real, real close, a good head butt to the nose can buy you some time( followed of course with a strike to the adams apple and a front kick to the privates
) You can use the head butt is he's facing you, or if he's got you in a bear hug from behind. It usually results it the perp not being able to see clearly for a few seconds cause of the agony in his nose( dont forget the complimentary kick to the ribs, groin, or face while he's down
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Take care,
01paw
If he's real, real close, a good head butt to the nose can buy you some time( followed of course with a strike to the adams apple and a front kick to the privates
Take care,
01paw
This is why we all have a one hand opening knife clipped to a pocket...
If we are talking less than leathal - The legs are the hardest part of the body to defend. Target knees for a quick and painfull take down. One that will leave them limping badly for a long time.
I also like strikes to the eyes... As Rich pointed out - They will have something other than YOU on thier minds after such a hit.
If we are talking less than leathal - The legs are the hardest part of the body to defend. Target knees for a quick and painfull take down. One that will leave them limping badly for a long time.
I also like strikes to the eyes... As Rich pointed out - They will have something other than YOU on thier minds after such a hit.
ShadedDude
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If my life was depending on it, I would do do whatever nessisary to live. (I.E. kick groin, punch adams apple, bite, pull hair, dig in finger nails) When it comes to your life, I dont think fighting nasty is against the rules.
Each individual has a different threshold of tolerance for pain which may vary for that individual depending on their state of mind or narcotic influence. A kick to the balls does not guarentee dropping a man nor does a blow to the adam's apple (there may be enough O2 in the brain for him to continue fighting).
Shaded Dude is right. In a streetfight, there are no rules and the most important thing for you is to come out in one piece. Everything is fair game. Oh, don't pull hair when you can do a hair takedown instead.
Shaded Dude is right. In a streetfight, there are no rules and the most important thing for you is to come out in one piece. Everything is fair game. Oh, don't pull hair when you can do a hair takedown instead.
chris in mo
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Kodiac....I agree about the Knife clipped to the pocket. There was an article in a magazine a while back about Ernest Emmerson. They discussed the fact that he teaches a knife fighting course in addition to making the knives. Along with the article were a couple of pictures of various techniques that he teaches. The one that they showed to counter a rear bear hug type of attack made me cringe. After being grabbed from the back the victim removed a pocket folder from its position clipped to the front pocket of her jeans. She opened the knife one handed and reached behind the leg of the attacker slashing the tendons behind the knee. It was a staged demonstration, but just the thought of that shook me, I can just imagine how disabling that would be. I think it is a good one to keep in your bag of tricks. I have practiced this move many times since reading the article.
Harry Humphries
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All fights go to the ground if continued long enough. In our AFCQC fighting system we work with three disciplines: The gun, edged weapons and grappling.
If the encounter has closed to a point where presentation of the hand gun or availability of a hand gun is not a reality than one must be prepared to deal with the edged weapon, hopefully, legally carried. We espouse to the combat style folding knife which can be carried by men or women. The key feature of the folder must be that it has a liner lock, blade locking system that is not readily contacted in stressful situations. That is to say that any blade locking system that can be compressed by grip pressure should be avoided as the obvious potential outcome is not satisfactory. Blade shape, metal or polymer type, blade configuration - all of these things are more personal taste issues and not critical. Safe and sharp is where it's at.
If the edged weapon is not available or practical than one must be prepared to get inside of the kicking and punching distance- close and hang on to neck or chest area keeping the head down or protected.. Techniques easily taught all require this basic step. Kicks, limb locks, eye nose mouth attacks are all very effective once one has been properly exposed to their execution. Simply hanging or pulling / pushing to get the opponent off balance will work provided there is ferocity in the counter movement.
Make the opponent sorry he dealt with you it is a mind thing much more than a size issue. But avoidance is the real key keep aware of your surroundings and the confrontation will probably never happen.
HH
If the encounter has closed to a point where presentation of the hand gun or availability of a hand gun is not a reality than one must be prepared to deal with the edged weapon, hopefully, legally carried. We espouse to the combat style folding knife which can be carried by men or women. The key feature of the folder must be that it has a liner lock, blade locking system that is not readily contacted in stressful situations. That is to say that any blade locking system that can be compressed by grip pressure should be avoided as the obvious potential outcome is not satisfactory. Blade shape, metal or polymer type, blade configuration - all of these things are more personal taste issues and not critical. Safe and sharp is where it's at.
If the edged weapon is not available or practical than one must be prepared to get inside of the kicking and punching distance- close and hang on to neck or chest area keeping the head down or protected.. Techniques easily taught all require this basic step. Kicks, limb locks, eye nose mouth attacks are all very effective once one has been properly exposed to their execution. Simply hanging or pulling / pushing to get the opponent off balance will work provided there is ferocity in the counter movement.
Make the opponent sorry he dealt with you it is a mind thing much more than a size issue. But avoidance is the real key keep aware of your surroundings and the confrontation will probably never happen.
HH
HH and HS,
You are correct. Situational awareness is by far the important key to going home in one piece. HS, be aware that striking the throat will probably be considered lethal force (it is in GA), so be sure your life or health is on the line before taking such an action. My personal opinion would be that I DO NOT want to go to the ground with an attacker, unless (possibly) I've managed to get behind them. I have been actively training in a combat art for 4 years, but I believe in getting in, doing something nasty and traumatic, and getting out in a hurry. If they have to think about whether they want any more, it may be a good time to run.
You are correct. Situational awareness is by far the important key to going home in one piece. HS, be aware that striking the throat will probably be considered lethal force (it is in GA), so be sure your life or health is on the line before taking such an action. My personal opinion would be that I DO NOT want to go to the ground with an attacker, unless (possibly) I've managed to get behind them. I have been actively training in a combat art for 4 years, but I believe in getting in, doing something nasty and traumatic, and getting out in a hurry. If they have to think about whether they want any more, it may be a good time to run.
Rich Lucibella
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Harry-
I know you're close with Ernie Emerson, who makes some of the finest tactical folders going. Several of us are Emerson knife owners.
But I'm curious as to the recommedation of carrying a folder, without mention of fixed blades. I don't want to turn this into a "what's better?" thread, as the answer is obvious. But I am curious about the lack of reference to the fixed blade alternative.
With the alternatives available today, from neck knives (which I deplore) to acceptable exposed carry belt knives, I would think you'd see more and more of these in your classes, especially among civilian students.
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Rich
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I know you're close with Ernie Emerson, who makes some of the finest tactical folders going. Several of us are Emerson knife owners.
But I'm curious as to the recommedation of carrying a folder, without mention of fixed blades. I don't want to turn this into a "what's better?" thread, as the answer is obvious. But I am curious about the lack of reference to the fixed blade alternative.
With the alternatives available today, from neck knives (which I deplore) to acceptable exposed carry belt knives, I would think you'd see more and more of these in your classes, especially among civilian students.
Regards,
Rich
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Sun Tzu had something to say about that, Spectre. He said (paraphrase) to strike first, and to strike hard enough that your enemy will not be able to strike back.
He was talking about large scale force on force battles... but you can see how this is easily applicable to a solitary man. Either on the street - or in business as a matter of fact.
The Art of War is the best book on the subject... seems like all other books just reiterate what he said ages ago - translating it in modern terms.
Kodiac's recomended reading list, number #7.
He was talking about large scale force on force battles... but you can see how this is easily applicable to a solitary man. Either on the street - or in business as a matter of fact.
The Art of War is the best book on the subject... seems like all other books just reiterate what he said ages ago - translating it in modern terms.
Kodiac's recomended reading list, number #7.
I can't speak for Mr. Humphries, but for me the folder is more likely to be with me, even though, given a choice, I'd prefer a large fixed blade.
The reason is, I live in CA and on a day to day basis, at work and in public, a folder in a pocket won't draw any attention. A fixed blade of any kind has to be carried in the open. I can see people just moving away with a stare everywhere I go. That would make me inclined to leave it at home.
With a folder I know it will ALWAYS be with me and I think that is something that is true for a majority of people who chooses to follow that path.
The reason is, I live in CA and on a day to day basis, at work and in public, a folder in a pocket won't draw any attention. A fixed blade of any kind has to be carried in the open. I can see people just moving away with a stare everywhere I go. That would make me inclined to leave it at home.
With a folder I know it will ALWAYS be with me and I think that is something that is true for a majority of people who chooses to follow that path.
Rich Lucibella
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Mute-
No argument from me. The knife that saves your life is the one that you have with you.
However, of late, I see fixed blades with increased frequency, both concealed and open. I now carry one daily, usually with the handle exposed, and people don't seem to give it a second glance. That's why I asked the question.
I recognize that you California residents are somewhat hobbled by the absurd gun/knife laws out there. You have my deepest sympathies.
Rich
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No argument from me. The knife that saves your life is the one that you have with you.
However, of late, I see fixed blades with increased frequency, both concealed and open. I now carry one daily, usually with the handle exposed, and people don't seem to give it a second glance. That's why I asked the question.
I recognize that you California residents are somewhat hobbled by the absurd gun/knife laws out there. You have my deepest sympathies.
Rich
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Harry Humphries
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All good points with respect to the edged weapons discussion. Rich I too am a fixed blade aficionado, but if one considers the edged weapon as a defensive device, that device needs to be at hand at all times. It need be out of reach only that one time rendering all choices mute points.
While I will carry any one of my favorite Randall fixed blades in tactical or woodland gear, I certainly can't go to dinner or the office with a sheath hanging from my belt and it really causes havoc at the airport. So my folder of choice is one that is innoxious to the eye. Legal length and configuration is a must if you want to get it on an airplane. My personal choices are Emerson's custom knives, any one of them, as number one. From the production folders,(and there are many very good ones provided they are liner lock types), my first choice is Emerson's "Commander" which is designed to deploy as it is withdrawn from the scabbard or pocket, it is the fasted deploying folder I know of. Chris Carrachi's design that is or was made by Benchmade was also a very good folder, for my taste.
HH
While I will carry any one of my favorite Randall fixed blades in tactical or woodland gear, I certainly can't go to dinner or the office with a sheath hanging from my belt and it really causes havoc at the airport. So my folder of choice is one that is innoxious to the eye. Legal length and configuration is a must if you want to get it on an airplane. My personal choices are Emerson's custom knives, any one of them, as number one. From the production folders,(and there are many very good ones provided they are liner lock types), my first choice is Emerson's "Commander" which is designed to deploy as it is withdrawn from the scabbard or pocket, it is the fasted deploying folder I know of. Chris Carrachi's design that is or was made by Benchmade was also a very good folder, for my taste.
HH
Speaking of knives and airports, I was recently not permitted to take my folder past security because it was considered a "melicious knife". Do you want to know what made it qualify as melicious? The lady actually told me that it was the point on the end of the knife and the serrations on the blade. Unbelievable! Apparently this is a new policy because she showed me their little procedures manual and under the 'Knives' category, the word 'serrations' was penciled in as not being allowed. (I think she was making up the part about the point at the end of the blade). Come on now, almost all 'emergency knives' have serrations on them don't they?
Oh, I travel very frequently and I still take my knife past security. They just don't know it.
I feel my rights being chisled away every day...
Oh, I travel very frequently and I still take my knife past security. They just don't know it.
I feel my rights being chisled away every day...
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