Unmarked Receivers for Remington Model 11

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Does anyone have any info on unmarked receivers on Remington Model 11's made between 1905 & 1910 ? Remington seems to be somewhat baffled, so I thought that I might ask here. You guys have forgotten more about shotguns than I will ever know, so here seems to be the place to ask. Here's the shotgun & pics of the receiver. Remington tells me that the stock is not from them, and it's pretty obvious that the recoil pad and sling swivels are home-done. Remington rep is still researching the mystery.

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well i checked on google and found out remington did make one but im asuming that it the same gun browning made (except for the mag cut off) and almost was a remington the whole time the things u learn on the internet
 
I have considered that, however, there seems to be no thinning of the receiver from grinding nor any other abnormality besides the depression on the side. Also, I found one on gunbroker which also appears to be unmarked and has obviously not been refinished.

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There is no doubt that it has indeed been refinished; I am sure that you are better able to speak to the aggressiveness of said refinish than am I. Respectfully, however, there remains the question of the unmarked receiver in the post above.
 
This is not a Remington Model 11. It is an early Browning Auto-5 made by Fabrique Nationale in Belgium. The Remington guys should have known that in an instant based on the location of the serial number.

The makers marks have all been ground off and the reciever was buffed to death. Look at the dished out screw holes, the evidence is there.

Based on the style of safety (suicide) and lack of a magazine lock out it was made before 1909. Let me know how many digits are in the serial number total and I'll try to date it better for you.

The early Auto-5's are generally collectable but the abuse of the metal and the horrifying stock job eliminate any collector value.

If you pick up some old Browning wood and put it on it will recover some of it's early Auto-5 class and be a fun knock around gun.

Jeff
 
Bill and Jeff: thank you for your insightful & helpful posts. I knew that this was the place to come for real information. The serial # is 5-digit. I would be happy to find that it is indded an A-5 ! I have always loved the old Browning wood and would replace this stock in a heartbeat if I could find a fitting and proper stock and forearn for it. Please let me know if there is anything further that either of you can tell me or need to ask. I will do my best to answer and am willing to listen to any of your advice.
 
Roger that, I did notice it. My bolt, however, is clean. No markings I can see. I have only just found disassembly instructions for the model 11. I also have instructions for the A-5. I have to get me a good long drift, however.
Besides the dished-out screw-holes and the bubba'd-up tang screws (what did they use for a screwdriver, anyway ...? ) what are some other things glaringly obvious to experienced eyes that mine have missed?
 
Bill, You're a gunsmith: why in the world would anyone want to grind off the factory markings on this gun, especially if it is a Browning ? I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but that makes absolutely no sense to me. :confused:
 
I think the gun was very badly rusted and in getting all the pitting off etc all the marks are gone. Have you looked at the underside of the barrel for proof marks?

For comparison here are a first year Remington Autoloading Shotgun (that was the name till 1911) And a 1928 Model 11 with 10 shot markethunters magazine extension. The bottom gun is a Sweet Sixteen.

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Here are a 1904 and 1906 Browning Auto-5's. Both have the 2nd generation safety retrofitted.

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The serial number is where it should be ona Browning but the numbers are all wrong. If you give us a good look at the ejector claw onthe barrel extension then maybe we could be sure what this gun is.

Jeff
 
The barrel that came on it was not original (it was a Sportsman barrel, made much later): I replaced the 30" or so barrel with the one now on it, an RA-UMC, marked DH3 on the side, D92 underneath. I hope that the photos help.

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Seeing the mechanicals up close confirms it with no if ands or butts.

Its a Remington made gun. The serial number on the underside of the reciever fooled me but it turns out it is not the factory number.

If it was mine I'd start looking for some wood like the set on the middle gun in the picture above. Old wood will look more appropriate on that gun.

(I'm a traditionalist when it comes to these things)

Best regards,

Jeff
 
Well, it was fun for a while thinking that it might actually be a Browning. I did want to know the truth. I really appreciate the help, the advice and the insight from both of you, and the pics of the real guns from you, Jeff. I am now in search of the correct wood for it and look forward to seeing it back in original (as close as I can get, anyway) condition. Having collected C&R rifles for many years, I am more than a bit of a traditionalist as well where originality is concerned. Thanks again.
 
Here is a picture of the buttplates used on the Browning and Remington Humpbacks.

The Browning Auto-5 buttplates in the order used L-R

The two early Remington buttplates, left to right are the first year of production of the "Remington Autoloading Gun", 1905 and the second is from a "Model 11" made in 1922

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Jeff
 
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