unknown Italian reproduction 1851 navy revolver

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I have an Italian made 1851 navy revolver with proper italian proof marks mfd in 1972, however there is NO manufacturer's mark just a serial number 21xxx. Would like to know more about it but at a dead end. It has what looks like a silver backstrap and trigger guard but they are untarnished and is in the standard .36 cal. Can anybody help me out???
 
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Not unless you show us some detailed pics of the various areas of the frame and barrel. Serial numbers on Italian reproductions mean next to nothing.
 
What are the barrel markings? On top and on the bottom? What are the markings on the bottom of the frame & on the backstrap?

Pictures would help.
 
pics

How are these
 

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Where is the serial number marked?

Serial numbers can be at six different places on the piece. Where it is may tell you something about who put it on there in the first place.
 
Please provide pictures of:
the barrel under the loading lever, especially where it enters the frame,
the bottom of the gun forward of the trigger guard where the trigger guard, frame and barrel assembly come together,
bottom of the grip frame,
both sides of the grip frame with the grips removed
back of cylinder

All these areas may contain marks which provide clues as to the origin of the gun.
 
markings

they are no markings on top or below barrel just the two proof marks and cal .36 NAVY MODEL-MADE IN ITALY- on the side and BLACK POWDER ONLY on the other side lower flat.
 

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grip markings

the only other markings I see are on the grip frame looks like an 18 or a 81 scribed in the grip frame
 

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You have more info on it than I have on the one I got....it has only one marking that I can find - BLACK POWDER ONLY - MADE IN ITALY. Other than that I can't find any proof marks...numbers...NOTHING
 
There's a photo of a similar 1851 on the RPRCA website, 3rd row down on the far right. The one next to it has the same configuration but with the square back trigger guard.

http://rprca.tripod.com/ModelsColt1851Navy.htm

1851 Navy 3rd Model Civilian Model. Silver Trigger Guard & Back Strap 6" Barrel .36Cal.(.44Cal. Shown)
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So the silver parts are nickel plated, right?

Thought all guns from italy made after 1950 must bear proof house marks
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These are the proof marks on the frame and again next to the wedge:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66647&d=1296065752

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66646&d=1296065752
 
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I think it would be safe to say it is nickel plated as it is not tarnished and yes those are the proof house marks
 
The first mark is the provsional Gardone proof the second is a black powder proof of Gardone and Brescia the third mark "xx8" is the proof date code for 1972
 
It came to my attention a day or so ago....

.....That ASP marked the grip frames at the approximate location of the 81 on your revolver. This was noted on two Remington revolvers which is not confirmation of the practice only evidence that it was done two times. They marked also the trigger guard and the grips. The difference is that it was done with a numeral punch or stamp and not scratched into the part.
 
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