Unearthed steel canisters x rayed by authorities.

oberkommando

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Heard just ending of news piece on am radio (LA)and sounded like a doctor whose back yard was being dug up to examine these canisters and that "oh my god" he had thousands of rounds of ammo. Didnt know if this was already discussed here or not was looking for info. Tried search but took forever so just posted this. Sorry if it is dbl post.
 
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Orange County Register http://www.ocregister.com/community/shoot010w1.shtml

Weapons cache in Irvine?
EVACUATION: Authorities find buried cylinders that they fear might contain hazardous materials and illegal arms.

March 10, 2000

By MAYRAV SAAR and HEATHER LOURIE
The Orange County Register

IRVINE — Six plastic cylinders that might contain hazardous materials and illegal weapons were found Thursday buried five inches beneath a concrete slab in the back yard of Dr. Larry Ford.

Thousands of rounds of ammunition also were located throughout the home, including shoulder rounds for machine guns, police said.

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News that Ford might once have researched chemical warfare for a federal intelligence agency heightened concerns. Officials believe that Ford, a research scientist, could have been storing potentially hazardous materials for years.

Ford committed suicide March 2, three days after his business partner, James Patrick Riley, was shot by a masked gunman outside the pair's Biofem Pharmaceutical office in Irvine.

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Authorities plan to use a robot to excavate the six buried containers today, put them in steel drums and take them to an FBI crime lab for testing, officials said.

Ford's wife, Diane, knew he had buried something in the back yard, but did not know what, police said.

Neighbors speculated that the cylinders could contain food, as Mormons are instructed by their faith to store extra food in the event of emergencies. But Ford's father, Creed Ford, believed that unlikely.

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Last week officers found about a dozen shotguns and rifles at Ford's home.

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The city will pay for the emergency out of its contingency funds, but ultimately hopes to get the Federal Emergency Management Agency to reimburse the city.

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Did I miss something here....How did they know he had buried cyliners? From the story I had the impression that his wife confirmed what the authorities asked her......fubsy.
 
so he had a Y2k cache

shoulder rounds for machine guns

gee i'll bet most of us have a can or 2 of 5.56 ammo at home

they are guilty of frightening the sheeple

dZ
 
DZ, does that mean you know what a shoulder round for a machine gun is? I'd settle for knowing what a shoulder round is.
Maybe the ammo was marked as 9mm subgun ammo or something. (Then again, there are posters here who fire that through Sigs . . . )

There's certainly a lot going on here. It does sound like overreaction, but I don't really want to take his side till we see more. Sounds like they suspect the containers have bombs in them. I mean, this guy and his partner and employees must have handled 'em enough to bury them and they lived. What else would the robot be for?
 
"Someone who was into guns, who went to the extent to bury these things ... maybe he thought Armageddon was coming," said Irvine police Lt. Sam Allevato.


Maybe. Or, perhaps, maybe he thought SB23, SKS 'buybacks' and Diane Feinstein were coming. Hard to know these days, isn't it? ;)
 
This whole thing started because of a botched contract killing of this doctor's business partner at a company called, "Biofem" that is developing a contraceptive suppository, among others. This doctor apparently had worked on biological warfare agents for the US government. The local LEO's apparently suspected that there might be biological agents buried in the cannisters, that's why they x-rayed.

Oh yeah, they made a pretty big deal of he being a Mormon and their tendency to cache for emergencies. Seems prudent to me, sinister to the powers that be.

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I was wondering the same thing about "shoulder rounds for machineguns". My guess is he had some belted ammo. Of course they don't mention that this is how some surplus ammo comes, and it can be taken off the belts.

bkm...

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http://www.ocregister.com/news/shoot011w1.shtml

Ford stash yields explosives
INVESTIGATION: Police say containers unearthed at Biofem exec's home also stored weapons.


March 11, 2000
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By MAYRAV SAAR and HEATHER LOURIE
The Orange County Register

IRVINE — Military-type explosives that experts say could blow up a car or kill a person were discovered Friday, buried in Dr. Larry Ford's back yard inside a 5-foot-long plastic cylinder, police said.

Plastic explosives known as C-4 were identified by an X-ray machine, officials said. They were transported to the Orange County Sheriff's Department late Friday for further study after technicians examined them.

Irvine police Sgt. Jeff Noble said Ford had stored the explosives improperly, packaging the blasting caps with the plastic material. He said the blasting caps could be detonated by heat or jarring, which could set off the bigger explosion of the C4.

"It could do a lot of damage if it was detonated," Irvine Lt. Sam Allevato said. "This is what the military uses in warfare."

The discovery is the latest twist in a saga that began Feb. 28 with the ambush shooting of Biofem Pharmaceutical Chief Executive Officer James Patrick Riley and the subsequent suicide of Ford, Riley's business partner.

The situation escalated Wednesday when police evacuated 48 homes in Ford's Woodbridge neighborhood after receiving tips that biological weapons might be buried near the home.

FBI agents and police found the explosives Friday inside one of six cylinders removed from the yard of Ford's Foxboro home. The five other cylinders, which were excavated during an all-day dig, contain firearms, ammunition and other materials that may be hazardous, police said. Those containers were not opened.

C-4, produced mainly for the military, is stronger than dynamite, but is the most stable of all explosives. The quantities found in Ford's yard were two 1 1/4 pound packages.

Ford committed suicide March 2, three days after Riley was shot by a masked gunman outside the pair's Irvine Spectrum office. Dino D'Saachs, an associate of Ford's, is believed to have been the getaway driver.

D'Saachs, who is being held on charges of conspiring to commit murder, said in a jailhouse interview Friday that Ford was a caring man.

"He was brilliant," D'Saachs said. "He told me once he could never be a pediatrician because it would hurt him too much to see a child cry."

When he recovers, Riley will resume his role as company CEO. The bullet pierced his lip and came out his jaw, hitting an artery but sparing Riley's teeth.

Riley did not attend Ford's funeral Wednesday because police told him to "lay low," said Raymond Lee, a Biofem attorney.But Riley is deeply saddened by his partner's suicide, Lee said.

Ford's family knew that the doctor had stashed guns in an underground compartment in the yard. But word that he worked for a federal intelligence agency stunned them, said Bill Bollard, another of Ford's attorneys and a longtime friend.

Another of Ford's attorneys, Stephen Klarich, said Ford had worked for the U.S. government in an intelligence capacity consulting on biological matters. But he had no details as to which agency or in what capacity.


Bollard said he believed Ford took his life to protect his family from media and police attention.

"I think he perceived the world as a cruel place. He viewed how people are tried in the press, and it was more than he wanted his family to go through," Bollard said. "I don't understand it. All I know is that I miss him."

Another of Ford's attorneys, H. Bryan Card, said police told him and Ford's wife, Diane, that Ford knew how to make biological weapons.

"The police said he had the knowledge and capability to come up with ... germ warfare. ... The police got a tip that he had worked for the CIA doing biological warfare," Card contended.

Police did not deny the comments, but doubted Card had inside information.

Card said police told him that tension over the direction of the business had been mounting between Riley and Ford. "But (the tension) was not about money," he said.

Ford invented Biofem's Inner Confidence, a vaginal suppository designed to help block the transmission of HIV, but the product has not gone through clinical trials.

Though Ford had wanted to conduct clinical trials in Europe and South Africa, Riley insisted the research be done in the United States. This may have been a point of contention between the two, Card said.

In other developments, Vicky Maharaj, the press secretary for the South African Embassy in Washington, D.C., said his government is "investigating reports that Dr. Ford was involved on a consultancy basis in the biological and chemical (weapons) program with the former South African Defense Force."
 
Thanks for all the clairification.

Kind of makes you wonder when we have former federal weapons employees with buried weapons in their yard. Better go search all the rest of the bio boys.
 
How did he commit suicide? Was he cleaning his gun when it went off six times or was he taking a bath and the toaster fell in the tub.
 
Today's update:

In those cannisters, he had MP-5s, MAC-10/11, Thompson Subgun, FN FAL (sear cut and installed), Sten guns, and the afformentioned C-4. Report is that the weapons had been there 5+ years.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Among the 15 weapons owned by Dr. Larry Ford on display: two MAC-10 submachine guns, which fire 1,100-1,200 rounds a minute if fully automatic. And antiques, including a 1928 "Tommy Gun" Thompson machine gun — a similar weapon is selling for $9,500 on a gun auction site.[/quote]

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Here's a link to the full article:

http://www.ocregister.com/community/crimecourts/bio015w.shtml
 
Hey, that looks like a really good way to get one's hand blown off...

Dammit, are we the only safe shooters left? :mad:

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Anybody who paid attention in biology and chemistry class knows how to make "biological" weapons. What crap.

Of course he knew how to make biological weapons.

Looks like the guy had a pretty decent cache. Admiriable.

Aside from being in violation of the unconstitutional NFA, what crime did he commit and what in the heck is a Shoulder Round?

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Since I have dedicated my time to only posting rants, I thought I'd pass this along as well. Last night, I was listening to c-span on the drive home, where a Secret Service fellow was being interviewed about the "life". There were probably 5 minutes, maybe more given over to the very-real problem of a lack of "technical" people. I was born with Sputnik in the night sky, and was raised under the threat of Maoism where the "Great Helmsman" had threated that the nation with the greatest number of maintenence men was the nation most fit to survive. So, I never bothered with business or law. I learned "how things work" because I thought it was my duty. I am a GEEK. A Nerd, A Poindexter, a soul brother of geeks with guns.

So the secret service and educators and government types are all worried about how we don't have a great pool of techical people comming up. Well, maybe if they would ACKNOWLEDGE THE BILL OF RIGHTS and stop demonising folks who belive in the 1st amendment (yes, the 1st) and stop calling anyone who has some technical ability a potential terrorist because they may know how to build destructive devices. Stop being afraid of their milkcows that they call taxpayers, consumers or whatever they have to in order to avoid acknowledging a CITIZENS RIGHT BY LAW to be left the h*ll alone, then that would change. Sh*t, it's almost ILLEGAL to be a "technical" person in AmeriKa.

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As I am not a doctor, I can't afford such a cache, but I hope someone in my community is as prepared as this fellow was.

Funny, isnt' it? how the y2k scare woke so many people up for a short while? Go back to sleep little taxpayer consumers, the government is watching out for you.

sheesh

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How'd they identify C-4 using an X-ray machine? Now, neutron activation analysis I could understand, but an X-ray machine?

Sometimes I think the chief qualification to be a journalist is complete ignorance, so that knowlege doesn't stand in the way of writing whatever you feel like.

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