(UK) Head teacher jailed for four years for a terrible, heinous crime...

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TheBluesMan

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... posession of firearms! :eek:

Head jailed for illegal arsenal

A primary school head teacher has been jailed for four years for possessing an illegal arsenal of guns and ammunition.

Martin Wynn Davies, 58, from Wrexham, admitted illegally possessing 10 hand guns, two rifles and ammunition.

The head of Ysgol Deiniol, Wrexham, asked for nine other offences to be taken into account at Mold Crown Court.

Judge John Rogers QC said he had reduced Davies' jail term because of his "impeccable character".

The court was also told about Davies' good service to the community during his 22 years as a head teacher.

The usual jail term for such offences is five years.

Davies, who has already been suspended from his school, had been interested in weapons since he was a child and received his first firearm when he was eight, the court heard.

He was a member of a gun club and regularly shot at a quarry near Ruthin.

He held licences which allowed him to keep a large number of weapons legally at his home as well as 7,000 rounds of ammunition.

But he was arrested in April when officers discovered 21 weapons not covered by his permit, along with illegal ammunition, including 190 hollow point rounds which explode on impact.

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Read the rest of the article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/5130218.stm

A good historical commentary on the state of firearms laws in the formerly great Britain. :(

I find it hard to fathom - four years in prison for a crime with no victim.
 
That is us in a few years as in USA

If we don't keep the republican guard in, we are out. NRA August issue has articles mentioning that very scenario. HMMMM come to think of it, it is in all their issues.

HQ:cool:
 
For readers who may not know it...
The hollow point bullet does NOT explode!

It does, however, open quickly to prevent over-penetration and hitting another person downrange...

In the process it applies greater shock to the criminal, thus stopping him more effectively.

The rest of the story sux2 ... :mad:
 
If we don't keep the republican guard in, we are out. NRA August issue has articles mentioning that very scenario. HMMMM come to think of it, it is in all their issues.
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So does that mean Mitt Romney = Republican should be considered for President?
 
hey whare can i get hollow points that explode on impact? no sereusly whare? and when are they going to have their revolution? we talk so much about us having one for our freedom. im sory that was just the vodka talking i should quit drinking.
 
One thing you gents need to understand is that this is the 10th anniversary of the Dunblane Massacre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_Massacre

While I don't agree with the handgun ban that was brought into effect after Dunblane, I don't think it is too much to expect a citizen to avoid carrying weapons that he doesn't have a license for, especially when he is a teacher. I don't know this man's character (and neither does anybody else here) but lets place ourselves in the following hypothetical situation:

The dude in the story goes out and shoots a few kids (or maybe a few teachers). How will it look when it is subesquently found that he had unlicensed weapons and that the authorities knew about it but did not punish him? That's when we see a total ban on all firearms for the civilian.

He knows the risks, he knows what he is allowed to have and he knows what he can't have. He can't claim ignorance of the laws in this matter and he is indeed lucky to get only 4 years.

I think much of the outrage here is to do with a US perspective on a UK situation. I am sure many of my South Afrcian shooting buddies would react the same way. I find it totally frustrating that I can't get a handgun here. I think it promotes crime when you disarm the law-abiding citizen. But that is a separate issue, and the guy in the story is not a law-abiding citizen. I was born and lived in South Africa most of my life, and I've lived in the UK on-and-off for more than 6 years and I've spent at least 2 months in the US. There is a world of difference between the ordinary man in the street's perspective when comparing the three countries. And that is a variable that is to be considered in addition to what the law says in each country.
But in this case, the bottom line is: he broke the law. You can say the laws are crap (and I agree) but that is a different debate entirely.
 
including 190 hollow point rounds which explode on impact.
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Cool where can I get some...

And I do agree with Odd job, there is a world of difference between the US and the UK. I was raised in the UK, but moved to the States 16 years ago.

The word 'free' is not fully appreciated until you are State side. No disrespect, but my wife, born and breed in the States, doesn't understand it either.
 
Not to hijack the thread or anything, but lately it seems like the nightmare scenario of guns being taken away and restrictions on said firearms have been in full swing and not just on this forum either. Now I know why the topics have come into play, but what I'm curious about is what will you do if the time comes? Alot of us here are law enforcement and military, former and active. We were trained to follow orders and work or worked for big brother. If a time comes that seems like it's straight out of a Science fiction/post-apocalyptic movie what will the gun owners do? I'm not asking the members of this forum to start the 2nd revolutionary war or anything, but will you stand for what you believe in? Will you solemnly answer that knock on the door and lead the shock troops to those things that your forefathers promised you you would always have or will you plant your feet, hold firmly the grip and say From my cold dead hands?

I know the last bit is a bit dramatic, but if there ever comes a time where this comes to fruition, I doubt it will be anything less than dramatic.
 
The 'shall we fight' question is one of the oldest on the gun related internet. A search function will bring up a zillion claims that people will fight. They are worth the electrons that they are made off.

In those threads, it is clear that political action is the best method of preserving gun rights as compared to TEOTWAWKI fantasies.

BTW, all those who post the Fight claim - given what we know about antiterrorist techniques now - you will be immediately identified by government supercomputers. Of course, those techinques are totally constitutional. :D
 
Odd Job

Thanks for the information, something like that could turn the staunchist rightist into a gungrabber, especially if it was one of their children.

But as a group of law abiding citizens it does make you worry, why the rights of law abiding people must be infringed.:confused:

Brady is a perfect example of what can happen when you are a victim and have the type of clout and can run with it.

The fault is not with the people it is with the courts and the Judges and what will happen at the UN meeting on the 4th of July, on our soil...:confused:

Reading the history of many countries that have denied the rights of their citizens of protection, then turned them into slaves, is much worse then the individual story of one occurence. IMHO

Something very interesting in my mind is the different mind set between the current President and his wife. How can they get along? Or the CA Gov. and his wife?:confused:

But the current trend toward the violence in America at this point and time is going to have some affects and soon. IMHO

Regards,
HQ
 
The BBC fixed the "explode on impact" nonsense. It now reads, "expand on impact."

But the court heard how the law existed to prevent even legally held guns falling into the wrong hands.
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The guns are in the wrong hands now... hands of the british police.
 
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