(UK)Britain Tightens Gun Laws Further (is this possible?)

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http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/10/4/202649


Britain Tightens Gun Laws Further
NewsMax.com Wires
Thursday, Oct. 5, 2000
See Britain and Gun Control: Neither Liberty nor Safety

LONDON (UPI) - Britain is tightening its strict gun laws and putting even more limits on the ownership of firearms, including imitation firearms for youngsters, the Home Office said Wednesday.

"Our overriding concern is to ensure public safety, and we believe that strong controls on firearms are absolutely essential to achieve this," Home Office Minister Charles Clarke said.

"Our firearms controls are already among the strongest in the world, and these new proposals will increase their effectiveness."

Britain was shocked into action against gun ownership after a 43-year-old man, Thomas Hamilton, gunned down 16 children and a teacher at a Scottish primary school on March 13, 1996. The shooting at Dunblane injured 12 other children and two teachers and ended only when Hamilton killed himself.

A ban on handgun ownership followed and spurred parliament to seek other ways of controlling guns.

Clarke said the new package of measures would include better controls on shotguns, tighter restrictions on the use of guns by young people, firm action against the misuse of air guns and work to tackle the use of illegal guns in crime.

"We realize that this is an emotive subject, with strong feelings on either side," he said.

"We have sought to strike a balance and to target our controls fairly and proportionately." But he said some of the measures unveiled on Wednesday would help curb the development of a "gun culture" in Britain.

The announcement of tougher gun control came despite British successes in the recently ended Olympic shooting events in Sydney. Richard Faulds won a gold medal in the men's shooting double trap, and Ian Peel won a silver in the men's shooting trap.

The new rules are the government's response to a parliamentary committee report on gun control, which recommended tough new measures, including a ban on the sale of imitation firearms to those under 18 years old.

Clarke said new controls would require those wanting to own a shotgun to demonstrate a good reason to have one.

But the government held back from introducing a total ban on people less than 16 years old using guns and rejected a licensing system for Britain's 4 million airguns, arguing that it would be too cumbersome, costly and difficult to administer.

Clarke said the government decided against a total ban on gun use by minors because that would hurt Britain's ability to compete in future shooting events.

"If we simply banned young people under the age of 16 from handling guns then we could end up in the position of simply not having sporting activity in this area at all in a few years," he said.

The new controls were attacked as too harsh by the pro-shooting lobby.

British Shooting Sports Council Secretary Pat Johnson said the tougher laws would "make it more difficult for us to produce another Richard Faulds by making it harder for youngsters wanting to take up shooting."

Clay Pigeon Shooting Association said the regulations were a smokescreen for a government that was not tackling the real problem: more criminals gaining access to firearms. Executive Director Emilio Roduna called the tighter controls "arbitrary and without justification that would penalize law-abiding people."

Police sources, however, said they were disappointed the controls did not go far enough in banning airguns.


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~USP

"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
I am so glad I did not move to the UK back in '89. They have managed to get significantly worse than Russia in many ways and that's a feat! Wonder what the English think when they read Kipling or Orwell or did they bad them ,too as subversives?
 
Oh yes, I'm quite sure these new laws will make things much better. :rolleyes:

The screws just keep getting tighter.

CMOS

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What they obviously need (but haven't thought of) is... simply....
A law to make criminals obey the law!

Tsädää! Then they can all live happily ever after.

...but seriously, one has to wonder what the real agenda is. It is interesting that this is not the first time I have heard references to "curb[ing] the development of a 'gun culture' in Britain". Having lived in Britain all my life until about six years ago, I can honestly say that I have never even been remotely aware of anything resembling what might be called a "gun culture" there. Unless a handful of target shooters constitutes a (by implication threatening) "gun culture" that is.

Also it's very hard to believe the statement: "Police sources, however, said they were disappointed the controls did not go far enough in banning airguns". The officers that I knew (admittedly not many) were just as perplexed as the rest of us by the handgun ban.

No one with any sense can have honestly expected that banning legally owned handguns would have any affect on the UK crime statistics.

While the heartbreakingly tragic incident at Dunblane did happen with legally held weapons, no government on earth can legislate against people going crazy.

It would be very interesting to know a bit more about the background of this Hamilton character. Perhaps there were 'warning signs' that could or should have been acted on?

Anyway, when things 'fail to add up' in the way they do in the case of the UK attitude to law-abiding people owning target pistols, one has to wonder, as I suggested at the beginning of this post, "what is the real agenda?"

...TS

(Remember that defensive purposes were NOT a valid reason for obtaining a firearms licence in the UK before the ban. Weapons were held for sporting purposes ONLY).
 
"We have sought to strike a balance and to target our controls fairly and proportionately." But he said some of the measures unveiled on Wednesday would help curb the development of a "gun culture" in Britain.


Hey that's brilliant. They move from the guise of gun/crime control to attempting social engineering.

Sounds like typical leftist logic. When your solution to a problem is wrong or fails, Rename or change the problem that you are trying to correct.
 
Yes it has made things MUCH MUCH better!!!!

For criminals anyways!!

Now they have machineguns, RPG's...... The average citizen can NOT even defend themselves, that is considered murder! Nice country huh?

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It's bloody ridiculous that the Brit rulers have decided to strike back at the populace because there exists a shooting event in the Olympics, and a couple subjects have the audacity to win it. They'll boody well ahve to pay for that.

Or is something else going on again?
 
Originally posted by USP 45]


Britain Tightens Gun Laws Further

Clarke said new controls would require those wanting to own a shotgun to demonstrate a good reason to have one.

Welcome to the brave new world of "needs based" licensing and since skeet, trap, etc are only recreational activites you don't "need" it to live you are s**t out of luck.
Personally I am surprised they still allow military calibre rifles [e.g. SMLE .303]

a-oh better stop giving the Brit banners ideas.
 
I hope this wakes up the citizens of the U.S. who continue to snooze through all of this. I know so many gun owners who say it will never happen here. It won't bother many of them when one particular firearm is restricted, for example small handguns. They'll say "it doesn't affect me, all I have is "hunting" shotguns. I wonder how many Brits were saying that when handguns were banned?
 
“... some of the measures unveiled on Wednesday would help curb the development
of a ‘gun culture’ in Britain.”
“Police sources, however, said they were disappointed the controls did not go far
enough in banning airguns.”

The “gun culture” has been severely “curbed” here in America by parents not
passing on such concepts as Liberty, Freedom, Constitutional Law, etc.

Notice however, that the “control culture” is thriving - and those of us who resist
are demonized as troglodytes or worse.

As we continue to become a nation of “dependents” of the nanny state, the control freaks will continue to gain power to dictate and, frighteningly enough, to punish those who believe in the Liberty we have lost.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>... work to tackle the use of illegal guns in crime.[/quote]

What's all this then? We've made those damned bloody guns illegal, and those silly sod criminals continue to use them illegally. How very uncricket of them. We thought for sure the buggers would march right down to the local constabulary to turn them in right quick like.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>...including a ban on the sale of imitation firearms to those under 18 years old.[/quote]

Here now, Tommy m'boy. Can't sell ye this 'ere water pistol. It's bloody illegal. Try comming back when yer 21. They changed the law again.

[This message has been edited by RepublicThunderbolt (edited October 06, 2000).]
 
Just browsed through an article regarding these further restrictions on the Home Office site.

One of the things that stood out was...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>...tighter controls on the sale of 'air soft' guns[/quote]

Yes, they're going to "tighten" control of those highly dangerous Air Soft guns, the soft plastic pellet-shooting, manually cocking, spring-powered non-firearms so popular in such gun hostile climates as Japan. Bet they feel safer already...

"Building a safe, just and tolerant society", indeed.
 
I don't live in the UK, and I really don't give a d___! what goes on over there. I think it would be more constructive to monitor the local media in your state for antigun activity. UK has been socialist for many many years, they are a lost cause and not worth my time.

Waterdog
 
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