Uberti safeties ?????

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Bob Wright

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My Uberti Flat Top has the Uberti hammer block safety, while my Cimarron/Uberti Model P has the "Swiss Safe" safety.

I noticed Uberti Cattleman revolvers at Bass Pro all have the hammer block safety.

Leaves me wondering, do all Cimarron/Uberti models have the Swiss Safe, while the Stoeger/Ubertis have the hammer block?

(I know the Uberti Horseman has the transfer bar safety.)

Bob Wright

P.S. As an afterthought, my Uberti/Stoeger Stallion .22 has the Swiss Safe system.
 
The Swiss Safe system was originated by Hammerli on their Virginian Single Action revolvers as a means to pass the hammer drop requirements for imported revolvers.

The cylinder base pin is enlongated with two positions for the base pin latch. By placing the hammer at half cock, the base pin latch is depressed and the base pin pushed in to the second notch. In this position, the base pin protrudes through the frame and blocks the hammer from forward movement.

While its effective, its not convenient to use, requiring some manipulation with both hands. Safe, but the devil to get into action!

I don't know if you can see from these photos or not, but here is my Cimarron:



And a Colt:



What I'm trying to illustrate is the projection of the base pin from the frame.



Bob Wright
 
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Thanks for explaining the Swiss Safe safety. I was about to ask the same question as "Aguila". I always learn something here.

My .44 WCF, Beretta Stampede (which I believe is a Uberti) has a transfer bar, and of course loads/unloads from the half cock notch.

I felt uneasy about letting the hammer down on a loaded chamber (in case it slipped), and so I load five. I guess that's right?
 
Bob Wright said:
I don't know if you can see from these photos or not, but here is my Cimarron:
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Don't need the photos, your explanation was excellent. I am familiar with that "safety," but I had never heard it referred to as a Swiss safety.
 
hammie said:
My .44 WCF, Beretta Stampede (which I believe is a Uberti) has a transfer bar, and of course loads/unloads from the half cock notch.

I felt uneasy about letting the hammer down on a loaded chamber (in case it slipped), and so I load five. I guess that's right?
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The transfer bar, as used on Rugers and some Uberti/Berettas, is connected to the trigger. So long as the trigger is depressed to release the hammer, then released, it is safe to lower the hammer over a live round. In case the hammer does slip from the thummb, the transfer bar is withdrawn to a safe position by the trigger return spring.

But then, there's Murphy's law............


Bob Wright
 
"The cylinder base pin is enlongated with two positions for the base pin latch."

Ah. I had no idea where that design came from, or even that it was called the Swiss Safety, but I know it's been around since before my time with NRA, which is where I first encountered it.
 
@Bob Wright: As always, you are entirely correct. Unfortunately, you still have to keep the trigger depressed until you're past the half cock notch. I keep my thumb between the hammer and frame, but at some point you have to remove the finger. My thumb is fat enough that the removal point and half cock notch are just about co-incident. To eliminate that manipulation, I simply started loading 5 when plinking or during other casual shooting.

I rotate nightstand guns and when the .44-40's turn comes, I load 6 for that kind of duty. The floor between the upper story and ground level lacks a .429 hole...so far. (And yes, I know a single action is not necessarily the best choice for self defense, but I've never felt completely helpless with a single action .44 WCF or .45 colt.)
 
hammie said:

(And yes, I know a single action is not necessarily the best choice for self defense, but I've never felt completely helpless with a single action .44 WCF or .45 colt.)
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I carry a Ruger Three Screw .44 Special Blackhawk every day! Don't feel undergunned.

Bob Wright
 
Oh, good, I get to say it again, "The gun is the least of it."
With one exception, a .22, I was thirty years old before having a handgun that wasn't a single action sixgun.
Must'a watched too many horse operas as a kid.
It's all about the operator, don't cha know.
 
I am impressed with the in-the-hammer hammer block safety that Uberti has on the Cattleman.

It allows the traditional Colt style loading and clicking sounds, for those who treasure such old school activities. And, once you have carefully lowered the hammer on the fully-loaded cylinder, you can ease it back just far enough to activate the hammer block. Or deactivate the deactivation of the hammer block, depending on how you look at it.

Either way you like to call it, you end up with a gun that is safe to carry with six round.

In fact, while it has been years, I believe that the manual explicitly said that this a safe way to carry a full load of 6 shots.

Bart Noir
 
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