U.S. Supreme Court Upholds Assisted Suicide Law (OR)

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High court upholds Oregon assisted-suicide law
6-3 majority says state powers trump federal authority; Roberts dissents


Updated: 10:39 a.m. ET Jan. 17, 2006

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court, with Chief Justice John Roberts dissenting, upheld Oregon’s one-of-a-kind physician-assisted suicide law Tuesday, rejecting a Bush administration attempt to punish doctors who help terminally ill patients die.

Justices, on a 6-3 vote, said the 1997 Oregon law used to end the lives of more than 200 seriously ill people trumped federal authority to regulate doctors.

That means the administration improperly tried to use a federal drug law to prosecute Oregon doctors who prescribe overdoses.

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Read the entire story at the above link. Interesting decision to say the least...
 
My two cents from a quick read - Scalia, Thomas and Roberts dissent.

Just shows that social conservatives are just as controlling as anyone when they get their ideology/religion all a flutter. The matter seems to be a states' rights issue but the subtext is there.

Wonder what this means for the medical marijuana cases?
 
So much for "Oh yeah, Justice Roberts will protect our rights! Yay!"

But yes, good decision.

Can you lend US your legal system?
 
If the dissenters are the conservatives, perhaps there's something more to the story than just the first blush. Perhaps the majority is engaged in extra-Constitutional legal gymnastics in order to uphold a poorly-crafted law, and the minority may be objecting to something other than the principle that self-ownership includes the right to end one's own life.
 
Then, justices in 1997 unanimously ruled that people have no constitutional right to die,
Well that's just ridiculous. :confused: How can one have the right to life without the inherent right to death?
 
..umm.

Assuming I'm free... and I own my life... wouldn't this include the right to end it as I choose?

If I can't end my life as I choose, I don't own my life.

If my life doesn't belong to me, I am not free.
 
I believe the disents had to do with the fact that the drugs used were overdoses of drugs, perscrbed with the intent to kill, by the doctors and at least partially funded with governemnt money.

If that was the case, drugs applied for a use outside fo their designed scope and funded by the government, the dissent would be coorect. You cannot force the government to pay for that procedure.
 
"JUSTICE SCALIA, with whom CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS and JUSTICE THOMAS join, dissenting.
The Court concludes that the Attorney General lacked authority to declare assisted suicide illicit under the Con- trolled Substances Act (CSA), because the CSA is con- cerned only with “illicit drug dealing and trafficking,” ante, at 23 (emphasis added). This question-begging conclusion is obscured by a flurry of arguments that distort the statute and disregard settled principles of our interpretive jurisprudence. Contrary to the Court’s analysis, this case involves not one but three independently sufficient grounds for reversing the Ninth Circuit’s judgment...

"The majority’s newfound understanding of the CSA as astatute of limited reach is all the more puzzling because it rests upon constitutional principles that the majority ofthe Court rejected in Raich. Notwithstanding the States' "'traditional police powers to define the criminal law and to protect the health, safety, and welfare of their citizens,'" 545 U. S., at ___, n. 38 (slip op., at 27, n. 38), the Raich majority concluded that the CSA applied to the intrastate possession of marijuana for medicinal purposes authorized by California law because "Congress could have rationally" concluded that such an application was necessary to the regulation of the “larger interstate marijuana market.” Id., at ___, ___ (slip op., at 28, 30). Here, by contrast, the majority’s restrictive interpretation of the CSA is based in no small part on "the structure and limitations of federalism, which allow the States '"great latitude under their police powers to legislate as to the protection of the lives, limbs, health, comfort, and quiet of all persons."'"

As a fellow on another board put it:

His position is basically that you can't on the one hand say that the federal government can ban the intrastate possession of marijuana (as they already did in Raich), and on the other hand say that the federal government cannot ban the prescription of lethal drugs, under the same law.
 
Assisted Suicide LEGAL

The SCOTUS ruled that Oregon law overrides Federal law when it comes to our doctors giving drugs to those that are dying and within the estimated 6 months time frame till death.

Now, what does this have to do with firearms? Because the government tried to use the interstate Commerce Clause and the court struck it down.

Now, I haven't read the court decision as of yet but this is interesting as that the SCOTUS struck down the ICC as being too over bearing and that State law trumps federal.

Could this be the "loophole" that may strike down many of these unconstitutional laws?

Wayne
 
Thread merged.

It was interesting to read Thomas' dissent, which starts:
Justice Thomas, dissenting.

When Angel Raich and Diane Monson challenged the application of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA), 21 U.S.C. § 801 et seq., to their purely intrastate possession of marijuana for medical use as authorized under California law, a majority of this Court (a mere seven months ago) determined that the CSA effectively invalidated California’s law because “the CSA is a comprehensive regulatory regime specifically designed to regulate which controlled substances can be utilized for medicinal purposes, and in what manner.” Gonzales v. Raich, 545 U.S. ___, ___ (2005) (slip op., at 24) (emphasis added). The majority employed unambiguous language, concluding that the “manner” in which controlled substances can be utilized “for medicinal purposes” is one of the “core activities regulated by the CSA.” Id., at ___ (slip op., at 25). And, it described the CSA as “creating a comprehensive framework for regulating the production, distribution, and possession of … ‘controlled substances,’ ” including those substances that “ ‘have a useful and legitimate medical purpose,’ ” in order to “foster the beneficial use of those medications” and “to prevent their misuse.” Id., at ___ (slip op., at 21).

Today the majority beats a hasty retreat from these conclusions. Confronted with a regulation that broadly requires all prescriptions to be issued for a “legitimate medical purpose,” 21 CFR § 1306.04(a) (2005), a regulation recognized in Raich as part of the Federal Government’s “closed … system” for regulating the “manner” in “which controlled substances can be utilized for medicinal purposes,” 545 U.S., at ___, ___ (slip op., at 10, 24), the majority rejects the Attorney General’s admittedly “at least reasonable,” ante, at 26, determination that administering controlled substances to facilitate a patient’s death is not a “ ‘legitimate medical purpose.’ ” The majority does so based on its conclusion that the CSA is only concerned with the regulation of “medical practice insofar as it bars doctors from using their prescription-writing powers as a means to engage in illicit drug dealing and trafficking as conventionally understood.” Ante, at 23. In other words, in stark contrast to Raich’s broad conclusions about the scope of the CSA as it pertains to the medicinal use of controlled substances, today this Court concludes that the CSA is merely concerned with fighting “ ‘drug abuse’ ” and only insofar as that abuse leads to “addiction or abnormal effects on the nervous system.”1 Ante, at 26.

What I think Thomas is saying, is that he agrees with the majorities holding in this case but he is dissenting only because of their hypocracy in Raich.
 
redworm quoted:

"Well that's just ridiculous. How can one have the right to life without the inherent right to death?"

Just curious--what is this "right to life" you speak of? "Life, lberty and the pursuit of happiness"? That one? That one went away long ago. If your momma doesn't want to carry you to term...sorry. Done. Some scumbag wants to deprive you of your life, and you resist...toss-up, maybe you win, maybe not. Got a good lawyer?

And purely from a devil's advocate standpoint...what does that Hippocratic Oath say again? Oh, yeah..:rolleyes:

Now, as far as ending your own life goes, I believe (theoretically) you have that right. If you are incapable of ending it yourself, I might go as far as saying a family member...maybe...mught help. Boy, ain't that a slippery slope, though? "Ah, grandma's suffering, wants to die, I have to help her..." Oh, BTW, I stand to inherit $2.3M...;)
 
Just goes to show you that they usually decide cases on their underlying political opinion and use whatever case law necessary to support their view while ignoring the rest.

I agree with the decision but I also agree that it was hypocritical in light of Raich (which I believe was decided wrong).
 
what does that Hippocratic Oath say again? Oh, yeah..
Some would argue that "do no harm" includes not allowing a patient to suffer. If I'm dying of cancer, in gut wrenching pain every waking moment, and I know I won't live to see the next full moon then isn't it causing me more harm than good for my doctor to deny me the help he can easily offer in ending the pain comfortably?

I've never known anyone who has had to make that decision or anything close to it and I really don't know how I would want to go, fighting or gently in my sleep with some help. But I do believe that I should be the only one ever allowed to make that choice. I can't understand why it's even an issue except maybe for the religious groups who find suicide a "sin".
 
My view on this matter.

My grandpa took over 3 weeks to die of kidney failure after he did not respond to dialysis. Everyone knew he was going to die and everyone was just waiting for it to happen. He hated to see his family watch him suffer.

My aunt died of leukemia. it took her MONTHS for her to die after everyone faced the fact that nothing could be done. Watching someone you love die of cancer over several months should make anyone want this to at least be an option. If the person wants to go naturally, then fine. If they want to just get it over with, then it is their right.

Personaly, I believe suicide of a healthy person to be a sin. However, a terminally ill patient who has 6 months to live and is in agonizing pain is not living, they are just waiting for death to come. God is already calling them and there is no point in prolonging their suffering if they want to die. There of course needs to be strict safegaurds to be certian it is the patients wish to die and not family members who are choosing for them. (Of course brain dead patients are a different matter.)
 
I've never known anyone who has had to make that decision or anything close to it and I really don't know how I would want to go, fighting or gently in my sleep with some help. But I do believe that I should be the only one ever allowed to make that choice. I can't understand why it's even an issue except maybe for the religious groups who find suicide a "sin".
Hits close to home for me. A close friend's Dad killed himself yesterday rather than go thru the continued agony. He had thought about it obviously; he carried it out quickly and without reservation at his first opportunity.

I couldn't think of any words of real condolence to the son in my email. But I could for the Father's spirit:
[XXX] time had come....and that is truly sad. But he demanded that the end be "on his own terms" as you say and no man with a heart could refuse him that last favor, even had you known his plans.

His plans were very clearly already set; and his resolve unshaken. His final actions were an affirmation to himself and others that his life was his own; and he remained in control of it. No more greater statement can be made to the spirit of a Man.

As to the opinions of the Court, it's real easy (and comfortable) to claim they voted with their personal bias. I happen to agree with Antipitas, based on actually reading Thomas' opinion. He was arguing that the abomination called Raich was now protected by Stare Decisis, as much as he personally and intellectually objected to that decision. Based on that, logic would allow him no other choice in this particular matter; and he effectively rubbed their noses in it.
Rich
 
[sarcasm] Vote for Bush. He'll appoint SC Justices that'll protect your Constitutional rights.[/sarcasm] Yeah......riiiiiiight.:rolleyes:

Good outcome anyways.
 
What I think Thomas is saying, is that he agrees with the majorities holding in this case but he is dissenting only because of their hypocracy in Raich.
That's what I was thinking as well, Antipitas. He was taking the opportunity to tell the left to put his dissent in their Raich pipe and smoke it.

I was wondering about something, though...

Could he not have said the same thing in a separate concurrence, instead of a separate dissent, and at the same time made a call to revisit the Raich ruling, since this one conflicts with it?
 
In my own experience, I unloaded my duty weapon and locked it up every night for 6 months and 20 days as my father was dying. I think I would feel better seeing one more sunrise and having one more sunset. Suicide is just not my choice. If one truly wanted to die comfortably, in their sleep and restfully, providing that there were 0 options, I can accept their decision. I truly do not think state medical assistance or Medicare or any insurance should pay for that option. Mr. Honby, you can live or die, your choice. Which can you afford?
 
No publius42, I don't think Thomas could morally do that.

I think we can agree that Raich was settled on Constitutional grounds. Namely, the Commerce Clause. In Oregon, the majority chose to ignore those grounds and made a determination strictly on statutory construction.

What we are left with is that Federal Law overrules State Law (Raich) and Federal Law does not overide State Law (Oregon). Thomas, I feel, points out this inconsistency of the Court.

On strictly statutory grounds, Raich fails, as the DOJ was the interpreter of what drugs are unlawful, not the Congress... Just as Oregon fails in this case. Given the overreaching Commerce Clause jurisprudence (my opinion, of course), then Raich is a good read and the 9th should have been overturned on Oregon.

The majority is trying to have it both ways. And it seems that because this is the Supreme Court, it most certainly is (having it both ways). This is why Thomas, I believe, dissented. Not because he believes this particular ruling is bad, but because the Court has refused to consider this case in the light of Raich: If the Commerce Clause power extends to this activity, and Raich says it does, then the statute doesn't negate the interpretation or regulations that Ashcroft enacted.
 
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