U.N. Torture Panel Quizzes U.S. (News)

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U.N. Torture Panel Quizzes U.S.

By NAOMI KOPPEL, Associated Press Writer

GENEVA (AP) -- Confronted with criticism of American police for using stun guns, the United States told a U.N. panel today it is ''utterly committed'' to wiping out torture but admitted its record is not perfect.

Torture is ''denounced as a matter of policy'' in the United States, Assistant Secretary of State Harold Koh told the U.N. committee against Torture, which is examining Washington's first report on its compliance with a U.N. torture convention it ratified in 1994.

But ''we acknowledge continuing areas of concern within the United States,'' Koh said. ''From time to time allegations of torture do arise, particularly within the difficult domain of law enforcement.''

On Tuesday, Amnesty International accused the United States of ''institutionalizing'' torture, especially in prisons and police forces.

In a report to the committee, the human rights group said the United States has used an ''increasingly punitive approach
toward offenders,'' which has facilitated torture and ill-treatment. The London-based group pointed to the use of pepper spray, tear gas and electric-shock devices and noted
the use of pepper spray against demonstrators protesting meetings of the World Trade Organization in Seattle in December.

At a news conference later, Koh said his country's record ''ranks near the very top'' and said the United States should not
be criticized for slowness in signing human rights treaties. ''Other countries ratify these treaties and then they don't obey
them. We obey these treaties and then we ratify them,'' he said.

Koh said he could not comment specifically on the Seattle case. But, he said, the use of chemical sprays and electric shocks is
only allowed to control prisoners in dangerous situations, never as a punishment.

''My own view is that these are being used completely within the law. ... I think there are a lot of misstatements in the Amnesty report, frankly,'' he said.

William Yeomans, a Justice Department lawyer, told the committee that there had been successful prosecutions of U.S. law enforcement officials. They included the conviction of four New York City police officers for the severe beating of Haitian
immigrant Abner Louima.

Committee chairman Peter Thomas Burns of Canada commended the United States for admitting that torture did happen, but asked why the report had not been produced earlier. He also expressed concern about the use of stun belts and guns, which Amnesty said could cause serious pain without leaving marks on the body and could also be set off
accidentally.

The committee likely will issue its conclusions next week.

AP-NY-05-10-00 1131EDT< 

So much for us and our "increasingly punitive approach toward offenders." No guns, no stun guns, no pepper spray. Maybe we could just lay down a trail of crack leading into the jail and get the crooks in that way. What was the smell of that New World Order again?
 
Point one:
OC spray, batons and electronic stunning devices are properly termed 'Less-than-lethal Devices'. Less-than-lethal devices are used when the death of the threat is not necessary. To deny LEO's, prison guards and the population in general the use of less-than-lethal devices will result in a large number of critters biting the dust due to knife and gunshot wounds--simply because a non-lethal alternative has been denied. Only Amnesty International and the UN could come to the conclusion that it is better to shoot someone instead of shocking the snot out of him.

Point Two:
Amnesty International and the UN need to **** off, get out of my country, and concern themselves with places where torture is a way of life. Iraq comes to mind.

Point Three:
Those prison guards are treating those people as if they were criminals.
Duh.

Point Four:
If the UN can't come up with a more constructive way to spend their time and money (such as investigating why they spend 80% of the budget on feather-bedding, and why is corruption rampant in their organizations), then may I suggest that the UN hang it's entire senior staff from the rafters and start again from scratch? Preferably starting again somewhere far, far away.

LawDog
 
So what would the UN suggest prison guards do when there's a riot in the mess hall?
Get on a megaphone and suggest that we all go out for some DQ?
Maybe dinner and a movie if they're nice?
Oh, puhleeze.

There's a reason those guys are in prison.
They are bad people (most of them).

LEO's, Corrections Officer's, etc are coming up with stunbelts, tasers, tear gas as alternative methods to either shooting the A-holes, or marching in with batons and cracking some skulls.

Screw the UN.
-Kframe
 
What happens to convicted and incarcerated felons in the US is one matter.

What has happened to innocent citizens, exercising their Constitutional Rights, is quite another matter.

I am certainly no fan of the UN nosing around in our business.

Then on the other hand, I am no big fan of the general populace being used as a “testing ground” for new cop toys.

Skyhawk


[This message has been edited by Skyhawk (edited May 10, 2000).]
 
Just another example that tells us that the UN has way too much money and time on thier hands.

If they're worried about these kinds of problems in the U.S., where prisoners have succesfully sued to get Filet Mignon once a week as part of thier "religion", then they really need a reality check. Unfortunately, Reality directly conflicts with the UN's Socialist mission, so don't expect to see it anytime soon.
 
Lawdog...

Your "Point Two" gets my vote.

You'll follow a trend very easily with the UN if you think in these terms...

1) Disarm all Global citizens, except the UN World Army.

2) End torture Globally, unless carried out by the UN.

3) End hunger Globally, unless famine, food shortages, or food poisoning is initiated by the UN.

4) End child abuse Globally, unless UN Globalists require children in their sadistic sacrificial rituals...then its OK.

5) Reduce Global population through various UN organizied genocidal methods, which basically means we can expect more senseless wars, terrorism, fabricated disasters, and economic unheavals causing more disease and starvation.

6) Create Global peace, which basically means no one messes with the UN Global agenda or they'll murder you.

7) Provide a Globally clean environment, at the expense of the elimination of private property, hunting and fishing rights, timber farming, any private land use...because the UN wants to own everything, and pollute, and destroy the environment and natural resources as they see fit.

Net sum is a centralizied government (the UN), a World Army (NATO), a World Bank, a cashless economy, and a microchipped population.

The UN is a terminal cancerous lump which needs immediate removal in order for the World to survive. It is a well known cancer called tyranny.
 
LawDog, Paul Revere,
The only thing I can add is that the UN can damn well go and ---- ----------.

Miserable bastards.

Jesse Helms was too soft on them.
:mad: :mad:
 
I agree with one and all here. I wish we could get someone elected to just tell them to go p*** up a rope. We don't need them and they sure as hell have no business in our country telling us how to manage our affairs. These losers really p*** me off :mad:

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Anonymous
 
I think Ron Paul (R-TX) is about the only man in this country that would actually tell the UN to kiss his a$$. The others seem to be gutless invertebrates.

CMOS :mad:

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NRA? Good. Now joing the GOA!
 
These "anti-torture" groups love to talk about the US because we...LISTEN...regardless of how silly they are, there are quite enough screaming liberals who just don't understand how easy they have it in America, and want to push this crap.

Countries like the PRC, Libya, etc. ignore them or throw them in jail for violating 'internal security.' No sense bothering them...

Much like little annoying bug-eyed yapping dogs, these groups just want someone to pay attention to them. Maybe if we all just ignored them, they would go away. However, that hasn't worked with Hillary...


Alex
 
The UN would have LEO's and CO's throwing stuffed pink teddy bears at BG's to control them. Then again that would likely fall under the heading of torture as well. I'll keep my OC and batton thank you.

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Tom Whitman
SSgt, USAF
 
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