(TX) Heads up for Fort Worth activists - Gun Show law

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http://www.star-telegram.com/news/doc/1047/1:TOPSTORY/1:TOPSTORY0709100.html

Fort Worth City Council in bind on gun shows

By Ginger D. Richardson
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

FORT WORTH -- As Fort Worth prepares this week for its first public debate on whether gun shows should continue in city facilities, council members face a sobering reality: Any restrictive action they take could lead to a costly lawsuit.

That's because Texas, like many states, has laws that override any city's attempt to impose local gun regulations. And restricting the well-attended shows might result in Fort Worth running afoul of state statutes, officials said.

"It's a problem," said City Councilwoman Wendy Davis, who favors banning the shows from city facilities. "If you interpret that broadly, then we, as a city, would be illegally regulating the sale of arms."

Fort Worth is not alone in grappling with the issue.

In 1993, Houston officials passed an ordinance requiring everyone attending gun shows at city-owned facilities to sign a form disclosing the firearms in their possession, and to either remove the firing pins or install key-operated trigger locks on all firearms brought to the shows.

Promoters sued. And in January, the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against the city, saying the ordinance was pre-empted by the Texas Local Government Code. The code blocks cities from regulating the "transfer, private ownership, keeping, transportation ... or registration of firearms."

Houston was ordered to pay $329,000 in damages and $54,442 in attorneys' fees and court costs.

Opinions on how the Houston lawsuit could affect any restrictive action Fort Worth might take vary as much as council members' opinions on the issue.

Assistant City Attorney Marcia Wise said last week that the case is the only one of its kind in the state, and it leaves the Texas law open to different interpretations.

"The one sure thing you can say is that the city of Fort Worth cannot do exactly what Houston did," Wise said. "But there are a lot of different theories in what's left. I would say that this serves as a guide to some land mines of what we could or couldn't do."

The council's Safety and Community Development Committee will open a hearing on the issue at 1 p.m. Tuesday at City Hall, 1000 Throckmorton St.

Several council members said last week that the state law might leave them only two options -- do nothing or ban the shows outright.

Two city leaders -- Davis and Mayor Pro Tem Ralph McCloud -- said they would favor banning the shows.

A couple of council members, including Chuck Silcox, the committee chairman, said they see no need to change the way gun shows are held.

"There are enough gun laws on the books today," Silcox said. "This is just a feel-good issue."

The city has booked 14 shows this year at its two meeting facilities -- the Fort Worth Convention Center and the Will Rogers complex. Last year, promoters held 17 shows, generating a little more than $98,000, Kirk Slaughter, the city's public events director, said.

Most council members said last week that they would be willing to increase restrictions on the show's promoters -- such as insisting that their dealers be federally licensed or that they conduct background checks on all buyers.

Individuals who sell guns infrequently from private collections aren't subject to federal licensing requirements, officials said.

Under federal law, only licensed dealers receive a personal identification number that allows them to access the FBI database to run the background check on a potential buyer.

It is that loophole that concerns council members.

"If it's a requirement when you purchase a gun from a gun store, then why isn't it reasonable to say that when you purchase a gun at a gun show that you require a background check -- no matter who is doing the selling or who is doing the buying?" asked City Councilman Jeff Wentworth.

But those are the sort of local controls that prompted gun show promoter Todd Bean to sue Houston and have landed municipalities across the nation in hot water.

"The action they are talking about taking, I believe it is illegal," said Bean, who holds several gun shows a year at the two Fort Worth facilities. "They are trying to tell people what to do with their personal property."

Bean said that the handful of private collectors who come to his shows generate a lot of interest.

"If you tell those folks they can't come, you lose the flavor of the old-time gun shows. It causes business to go away," he said. "I just don't understand this. For over 200 years, people have not needed permission from the government to peacefully assemble or to own firearm.

"That's all that gun shows are." But Andy Spafford, a staff attorney with the California-based Legal Community Against Violence, said that although Texas has one of the nation's more restrictive state laws, Fort Worth is not alone in trying to increase local gun controls.

"We had a groundswell here in California a few years ago," said Spafford, whose group advises municipalities that are trying to enact gun control measures. "But we are seeing it across the country now, and the debate is starting to change.

"Local folks are saying, `We're not interested in taking people's guns away, but what we are interested in doing is reducing the number of people who die.' "

Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco and West Palm Beach, Fla., are among cities that have enacted measures ranging from mandatory background checks on all gun show sales to making it illegal to possess a handgun within city limits.

Davis said Fort Worth should join that list.

"We need to be sending a message that we, as a city, will not be held hostage to these state and federal laws that have allowed these loopholes to exist," she said.

Ginger D. Richardson, (817) 390-7616

Send comments to grichardson@star-telegram.com



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The New World Order has a Third Reich odor.
 
If that preemption law works, then how come there can no longer be any guns shows within Austin city limits? Or did the Austin Politburo kick out the shows before the preemption law took effect? Anyone know?

By the way Oatka, you forgot the barf alert in front of this one ;) even if only for the tired lie of, "We're not interested in taking people's guns away, but what we are interested in doing is reducing the number of people who die."


[This message has been edited by Gopher a 45 (edited July 09, 2000).]
 
Well, that "We're not interested" pap came from that "furriner" from Kalifornia, so I didn't think it counted. ;)

[This message has been edited by Oatka (edited July 09, 2000).]
 
Gopher a 45,

The way I understand what happened in Austin was, that nobody bothered to fight the ban there because the city facilities were so crappy! There are better privately owned buildings down there to have the gun shows in. :)

Joe
 
TEXAS GRASSROOTS ALERT

Gun Shows Under Attack in Fort Worth

Dear Concerned Fort Worth Gun Owner:

Your help is needed immediately to derail attempts to end gun shows in the
City of Fort Worth!

On Tuesday, July 11, the Fort Worth City Council's Safety & Community
Development Committee will consider a number of possible restrictions on
gun shows held within city limits -- including a ban on gun shows on city
property or a "Clinton-Gore style" plan requiring criminal records checks
on any firearm sale at a gun show.

No formal ordinances have been drafted, but the topic will definitely be
brought up for discussion. These are the same types of restrictions being
pushed by the Clinton-Gore Team in Washington, D.C., and by gun control
advocates in other cities across the Lone Star State and in the Texas
Legislature.

Our opponents claim that widespread illegal gun sales occur at these shows
-- with absolutely no concrete evidence to back up such statements. Texas
laws that make it a Class A misdemeanor to transfer firearms to violent
felons or juvenile offenders can and should be enforced if even just one
such illegal sale occurs at a gun show. Another law isn't needed to make
an arrest happen!

Banning gun shows in city facilities could effectively eliminate all shows
in Fort Worth. Requiring records checks on all firearm sales -- even
between individuals who are NOT required by federal law to have a dealers'
license and conduct checks -- brings us one step closer to government
regulation of all private transfers, including those between family
members and friends. But this proposal poses an even greater immediate
danger to our rights.

The FBI -- in clear violation of both the 1968 Gun Control Act and the
Brady Act itself -- is maintaining a central database of every gun
purchase that goes through the National Instant Check System (NICS). And
FBI routinely "delays" gun purchases for as many as three business days --
obviously longer than the duration of a weekend gun show. The bottom line:
the City of Fort Worth can't guarantee your name won't be illegally
entered into a federal registry, nor can it command FBI to prioritize
checks at gun shows so sales won't be halted altogether at these events!

Several years ago, the City of Houston passed an ordinance regulating gun
shows on city property -- and taxpayers had to foot the bill when a local
gun show promoter challenged the law in court, won, and was awarded
attorneys fees and lost profits. The court ruled that the
Houston ordinance violated Texas' firearms preemption law, which makes the
state the sole authority for regulation of firearm sales.

We need to send a strong message to the City Council to oppose these
needless, intrusive restrictions aimed at ending gun shows in Fort Worth.
Here's how you can help deliver that strong message:

Attend the City Council committee meeting on Tuesday, July 11, from
1:00-3:00 p.m in the Pre-Council Chambers at City Hall, located at 1000
Throckmorton. There will be a limit on testimony for both sides, so there
is no guarantee that you will be able to speak. But it's critical
that we have a strong showing from concerned gun owners, as the
anti-gunners will surely be there in full-force.

Let Mayor Barr and councilmembers know where you stand on these issues
before the meeting. Even if you do not reside within city limits, you may
attend gun shows in Fort Worth or just want to make sure they can continue
to be held there. Phone numbers and email addresses are included below.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING THESE STEPS
TO PROTECT OUR RIGHTS IN FORT WORTH!

Contact Information

Mayor Kenneth Barr
(817) 871-6118
BarrK@ci.fort-worth.tx.us

Fort Worth City Councilmembers

District 2
Jim Lane
(817) 871-8802
District2@ci.fort-worth.tx.ux

District 3
Chuck Silcox
(817) 871-8803
crsilcox@aol.com

District 4
Becky Haskins
(817) 871-8804
District4@ci.fort-worth.tx.us

District 5
Frank Moss
(817) 871-8805
District5@ci.fort-worth.tx.us

District 6
Clyde Picht
(817) 871-8806
cpicht@landslideclyde.com

District 7
Jeff Wentworth
(817) 871-8807
District7@ci.fort-worth.tx.us

District 8
Ralph McCloud
(817) 871-8808
District8@ci.fort-worth.tx.us

District 9
Wendy Davis
(817) 871-8809
District9@ci.fort-worth.tx.us

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Todd Bean did not sue under the Texas pre-emption law (passed in 1989), but sued Houston in Federal court for violating his First Amendment right to freedom of expression and the right to lawful assembly. Basically a govt cannot restrict access to govt facilities to do something that is otherwise completely legal. They will not be able to require that all sales go through NICS either because that would also violate the Texas pre-emption law. nralife is right, no one has challanged the city of Austin on their laws. When the city attorney was contacted he said that he knew the law violated the pre-emption law, but that it would take $70,000 to fight it and then they would rewrite it so that it would have to be challanged again. The city of Austin thinks that it can do whatever it wants.
 
hmmmm & I notice no Texas chapter of the Tyranny Response Team ....

Screw 'em if they think they can do anything they want. Lawsuits are expensive, demos/protests only take a bit of your time & dedication ... jam 'em up in the streets.

Demo/protest, all the while backing that up with "personal visits" to the political hacks who decided this was a good idea.

Bang 'em with the e-mail/hard copies, letters to the editor/s, personal visits to
their offices (don't forget that they live somewhere & "visit" them there, too - they're attempting to do this to you personally & you should take this to them - personally), don't forget the press releases (& whys about the whole affair)

Y'all either take it or you don't.
 
Well, today's the day of the meeting. Let's hope we get some good news out of it.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating -- WRITE the reporters and editors when a gun article is printed. Raise Hell with 'em when they slant it and stroke 'em when it's pro-gun or even slightly even-handed.

See the first post for the article Ms. Richardson wrote. I emailed her and her editor my thanks for being even-handed, especially coming from the Telegram. Among other things, I said it was the mark of a true professional when you couldn't tell the reporter's bias.

I got this reply today:

"Thanks very much!

You made my day! I try to be fair, but usually I end up getting beaten up on both sides of the issue, so its nice to hear a complimentary word every now and then!

Thanks again.

Sincerely,
Ginger Richardson"

You never know, come the next article, we might even get a good word.

Small steps, small steps.



[This message has been edited by Oatka (edited July 11, 2000).]
 
When things are going against you - RUN! "However, they were blocked from voting when Councilwoman Wendy Davis (anti - Oatka) slipped out of the meeting, leaving the committee without a quorum."

Update:

http://www.startext.net/news/doc/1047/1:METRO31/1:METRO310711100.html

Gun shows' merits argued at hearing;
Fort Worth Council panel makes no recommendation

By Ginger D. Richardson
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

FORT WORTH -- Firearms enthusiasts and gun control advocates packed City Hall yesterday in passionate attempts to win over council members who are debating whether gun shows should continue in city facilities.

The standing-room-only crowd was one of the largest at City Hall for a single issue in years, observers said.

Gun show supporters, such as retired state District Judge Rufus Adcock, told council members that they are infringing on people's rights.

"Gun shows provide citizens a place to sell that firearm that they have a legal right to own. People have a right to protect themselves," Adcock said. "We are not going to reform anyone with any of the rules you all are going to enact."

But gun control advocates said that banning the sales events would make Fort Worth safer.

"Stronger regulation means safer kids," said Elsie Bradford, who lost her son to gun violence in 1991 and who participated in May's Million Mom March calling for
"sensible gun laws."

In the end, neither side won.

After hearing more than an hour of comments from the crowd of about 300 people, a council committee charged with looking into the issue did not take any action.

Committee members were poised to make what probably would have been a 2-1 recommendation to keep the gun shows -- with no new restrictions -- in public facilities such as the Fort Worth Convention Center and the Will Rogers complex. However, they were blocked from voting when Councilwoman Wendy Davis slipped out of the meeting, leaving the committee without a quorum. Davis favors banning the events from city facilities.

Last night, Davis and Councilwoman Becky Haskin said they intend to bring the matter to the full council, where most members have said that they support increased restrictions on the well-attended shows. No date has been set for the council to debate the issue.

"This is not a committee issue. This is a full council issue," Davis said. She said she left the hearing at about 3 p.m. to prepare for the council's afternoon work session. "The entire council needs to decide how we want to proceed with this."

Before Davis' surprise exit, council members -- including several who do not sit on the city's Safety and Community Development Committee -- listened patiently to an hour of dueling testimony.

Most of the speakers said they support gun shows in city facilities and that restricting the events would unfairly target law-abiding citizens.

Other speakers, who want to restrict the events, said the shows give criminals an avenue to illegally purchase weapons and promote a hostile, anti- government environment.

The city hosted 17 gun shows at the convention center and Will Rogers last year, generating about $98,000 in revenue. Promoters are required by the city to hire off-duty police officers to provide security at the shows.

"What kind of felon is going to come face-to-face, nose-to- nose with a Fort Worth police officer?" asked Dr. Griffin Murphey, who said he is a hunter, target shooter and gun enthusiast. "It's not going to happen. This is just a blatant grab for our freedom under the false promise of increased safety."

But opponents questioned the safety and atmosphere of the shows.

"I visited a gun show, and I was not prepared for what I found. The theme was violent, anti-government and sexist," said Gwen Marlin. She said she was offended by a T-shirt bearing the statement, "I miss my wife, but my aim is getting better."

The National Association of Arms Shows, which represents many of the show promoters, estimates that more than 5 million people attend the events annually.

Texas led the country with 472 gun shows in 1998, according to a January 1999 report by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

In that report, the ATF found that 25 percent to 50 percent of vendors at most gun shows are unlicensed or private dealers.

Such dealers are not subject to the Brady Act, which requires background checks on the national database. It's that so-called gun show loophole that concerns council members.

Despite their concerns, however, the council is struggling to determine what it can legally do to encourage more regulations at the shows.

Texas, like most other states, has laws that override any city's attempt to impose local gun regulations. And restricting the shows could cause Fort Worth to run afoul of state statutes, officials said.

Houston faced a similar problem after passing a 1993 ordinance requiring everyone attending gun shows at city- owned facilities to sign a form disclosing the firearms in their possession. The ordinance also required that individuals remove the firing pins from all weapons at the shows, or outfit the guns with key operated trigger locks.

Promoters sued. And in January the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against the city, saying the ordinance was pre-empted by the Texas Local Government Code. The code blocks cities from regulating the "transfer, private ownership, keeping, transportation ... or registration of firearms."

City officials said yesterday that they would need to have a lengthy closed-door session with their attorneys before taking any action on the issue; Assistant City Attorney Marcia Wise said that the "Houston case appears to come down really hard on any regulations" that the city might enact.

Davis and other council members said that they have no idea how long it could take before the matter is brought before the entire council.


Staff writer Peyton D. Woodson contributed to this report.

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