Two-round burst

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Rayndeon

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Why is there no two-round burst feature more common to pistols intended for military/LE application? Generally, shooting controlled pairs or hammer pairs is desirable in a handgun - so, why not make the action easier on a military/LE shooter by providing them with a handgun that has a two-round burst feature (preferably with a very high cyclic rate)? There are any number of ways it could be set up, selector switch wise. You could have a selector switch from safe to semi-auto to 2-round burst (IMO, in an SA or SA/DA package) or a semi-auto to 2-round burst selector switch (DAO?). I imagine such a feature would be very useful for a handgun.
 
Cost of design, cost of manufacture, cost of training, cost of ammo, potentially less reliable resulting in increased cost of repair. Also, there is little need for such a weapon when when you use a rifle and bigger as the weapon of choice. Did I mention cost?
 
I think it'd be pointless. If you've ever watched even a reasonably accomplished pistol shooter, you'd see that it's very feasible for someone to get off two WELL AIMED shots extraordinarily quickly with no modification to the pistol at all. It's just about practice and technique, and doesn't require all of the foofaraw associated with fielding a new weapon.
 
The same argument might be said for rifles, assuming we trained all the soldiers well enough, but burst fire on rifles in considered a good thing and it doesn't impact reliability.
 
The military does not consider a handgun to be a primary combat weapon. It is strictly a secondary weapon - therefore, no need to add the complexity and bulk of a burst mode.

In combat, a handgun is only useful for fighting your way back to where you left your rifle.
 
Why would you want to take the control from the operator? What if at the last minute a two round burst would be ill advised? I have not been shooting handguns for very long, and with a little practice I can already put two fairly well aimed shots very quickly.
 
You have automatic firearms in the military to PROVIDE VIOLENT MASSIVE FIREPOWER, you're not talking precission fire, you want fire power, the more massive, and violent the better, as in an ambush or re-acting to an ambush.

That in not, nor has ever been the intent of the pistol. You have a two shot burst, chances are you're gonna miss the second shot.

To prove this, I did an experiment with a group of guys in my unit. I bet them at 100 yards I'd get more hits on an E Sil. target firing semi the 4 of them could get firing full auto with their M16s. Each of us took a 20 round mag loaded with 18 rounds. In 10 seconds I got 17 hits, the other four got 9 hits, (my 18 rounds vs their 72 rounds). The stipulation was they had to fire auto, and I had to fire semi.

I think with pistols the test results would have been more dramatic. Even at shorter ranges;

I use to have a Colt 38 Super that had been converted to a 38 spl wc for centerfire Bullseye matches. It had a habit of doubling. In bullseye I believe in a heavy firm grip, but when that pistol doubled, the second shot always went way over the target, and if shooting indoors always hit the ceiling. There is no controling a second shot in a two shot burst in a pistol.
 
even a 2 shot burst makes it a machinegun...no dept is going to spend the money, public impact debate of issuing a machinegun to every officer.

FBI does have 2 shot burst on their MP-5's.

ANY firearm that fires more then once from a single pull of the trigger falls under the National Firearms Act and IS a machinegun. Post-86 would be Law Enforcement/military only and all the added headaches !

Just not in the cards. Double taps too easy to learn with practice.
 
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