two (more) questions from a gun newbie
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1. Obviously, the caliber. 
Seriously, I find the .40 to be more of a "rap", and the .45 to be more of a "push" in the recoil dept. Obviously, the .45 makes larger holes, so the perp leaks faster.
2. I don't know of any quiet handguns, except if you spend lots of money and buy a supressor and pay Uncle Sam $200 for a tax stamp.
3. This is a very hard question, since you need to narrow down your selection to a type you might like, SA, DA, DAO, etc. Is this for carry, or are you looking for a range gun? If you're going to carry it, how much of a premium do you place on size or weight? Questions...questions...questions...
Seriously, I find the .40 to be more of a "rap", and the .45 to be more of a "push" in the recoil dept. Obviously, the .45 makes larger holes, so the perp leaks faster. 2. I don't know of any quiet handguns, except if you spend lots of money and buy a supressor and pay Uncle Sam $200 for a tax stamp.
3. This is a very hard question, since you need to narrow down your selection to a type you might like, SA, DA, DAO, etc. Is this for carry, or are you looking for a range gun? If you're going to carry it, how much of a premium do you place on size or weight? Questions...questions...questions...
1-Lots.First a diameter difference,40=.400,
45=.452. The heavest bullet for a 40 that I know about is 180 gr and for the 45 is 230.These are the normal loads.45 has less chamber pressures and to me more of a push recoil verses a sharp recoil on the 40.Which is better?My preference is the 45 and many people prefer the 40.I will not debate teh point.both work.
2-I realy don't know what you mean with this question.How noisy a handgun is when fired?
Too many varables to answer that.What load are you useing,what barrel length and other things.About the quietist would be in the .22 cal range.
3-There are many good firearms out there.Remember you get what you pay for normaly.Good ones?sig-H&K,USP,ruger S&W(used only)glock and many others.Ones to stay away from?Lorcon,jennings and others in that price range.
They best to do is look at guns and find what feels good to you.Come back and post what you like and see what people say about it,good or bad.Just remember even in quality guns people will prefer one over the other and you can get lemons in all brands.Trick there is to buy brand names that stand behind what the sell.
Hope this helps some.If you have specific questions feel free to email me and ask.
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Bob--- Age and deceit will overcome youth and speed.
I'm old and deceitful.
45=.452. The heavest bullet for a 40 that I know about is 180 gr and for the 45 is 230.These are the normal loads.45 has less chamber pressures and to me more of a push recoil verses a sharp recoil on the 40.Which is better?My preference is the 45 and many people prefer the 40.I will not debate teh point.both work.
2-I realy don't know what you mean with this question.How noisy a handgun is when fired?
Too many varables to answer that.What load are you useing,what barrel length and other things.About the quietist would be in the .22 cal range.
3-There are many good firearms out there.Remember you get what you pay for normaly.Good ones?sig-H&K,USP,ruger S&W(used only)glock and many others.Ones to stay away from?Lorcon,jennings and others in that price range.
They best to do is look at guns and find what feels good to you.Come back and post what you like and see what people say about it,good or bad.Just remember even in quality guns people will prefer one over the other and you can get lemons in all brands.Trick there is to buy brand names that stand behind what the sell.
Hope this helps some.If you have specific questions feel free to email me and ask.
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Bob--- Age and deceit will overcome youth and speed.
I'm old and deceitful.
1. Not a lot. Recoil characteristics have been covered. For a defense round, with properly constructed bullets - they are probably very, very close. For target work - probably an expensive .45 would give you an edge, out of the box.
2. There ain't none. The quietest I could think of (without a silencer) would be a relatively long barreled revolver shooting .22 CB. Even then I'd recommend hearing protectors. With good hearing protectors you can shoot any of them safely (as far as your personal hearing goes). If you're contemplating something like a basement range - cover the walls with egg cartons, get a good bullet trap and stick with .22s. Unless you have a really, really big basement. If you have a big basement you can construct an indoor range (even for .357) that will be safe and that won't bother your neighbors - but we aren't talking low budget. Nor have I mentioned any possible state/city ordinances - which you should not ignore if you ever want to have a CCW permit (and we won't mention the interium legal fees).
3. Generally you get what you pay for. For a new gun Ruger gives you about the best quality (works out of the box) in the medium price range. Trarus is good for both revolvers and autos - but doesn't have quite the rep for reliability that Ruger does - and, until recently, the fit and finish wasn't as good. The low budget guns (Raven, Jennings, Phoenix, et alia) are very spotty. Some will work very well (I have a Jennings .22 that functions flawlessly with almost anything you feed it), but you may go through 2, 3 or more before you get one that is "just right". I have a Kimber PRO CDP that shot way, way off point of aim out of the box - it took a trip back to the factory to cure that). If you are a gambler, you might bingo on the first one you run across. Then again you might well run more than the price of a Ruger or Trarus in getting one that works.
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Jim Fox
[This message has been edited by JimFox (edited October 14, 2000).]
2. There ain't none. The quietest I could think of (without a silencer) would be a relatively long barreled revolver shooting .22 CB. Even then I'd recommend hearing protectors. With good hearing protectors you can shoot any of them safely (as far as your personal hearing goes). If you're contemplating something like a basement range - cover the walls with egg cartons, get a good bullet trap and stick with .22s. Unless you have a really, really big basement. If you have a big basement you can construct an indoor range (even for .357) that will be safe and that won't bother your neighbors - but we aren't talking low budget. Nor have I mentioned any possible state/city ordinances - which you should not ignore if you ever want to have a CCW permit (and we won't mention the interium legal fees).
3. Generally you get what you pay for. For a new gun Ruger gives you about the best quality (works out of the box) in the medium price range. Trarus is good for both revolvers and autos - but doesn't have quite the rep for reliability that Ruger does - and, until recently, the fit and finish wasn't as good. The low budget guns (Raven, Jennings, Phoenix, et alia) are very spotty. Some will work very well (I have a Jennings .22 that functions flawlessly with almost anything you feed it), but you may go through 2, 3 or more before you get one that is "just right". I have a Kimber PRO CDP that shot way, way off point of aim out of the box - it took a trip back to the factory to cure that). If you are a gambler, you might bingo on the first one you run across. Then again you might well run more than the price of a Ruger or Trarus in getting one that works.
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Jim Fox
[This message has been edited by JimFox (edited October 14, 2000).]
Hi Tuff....what sort of target shooting?
Quieter than a .357mag?..like beemerb said, a lot depends on the load. .22 target pistol using low velocity match ammo is bout as quiet as you are goin to get without sound attenuation. Even guns with silencers vary greatly in noise, depending on calibre, quality of silencer and accuracy of matching the load to the silencer.
You might want to post your general area, chances are somebody from TFL is in your area with an assortment of handguns and the urge to play with you.
Sam....follow me, I know a shortcut.
Quieter than a .357mag?..like beemerb said, a lot depends on the load. .22 target pistol using low velocity match ammo is bout as quiet as you are goin to get without sound attenuation. Even guns with silencers vary greatly in noise, depending on calibre, quality of silencer and accuracy of matching the load to the silencer.
You might want to post your general area, chances are somebody from TFL is in your area with an assortment of handguns and the urge to play with you.
Sam....follow me, I know a shortcut.
P
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#1 - differences between a .40 and .45?
.40S&W is a higher velocity round, along with being smaller in diameter. It's largest common load is a 180 grain bullet where a 45ACP's largest common load is a 230 grain bullet. The 45ACP has a milder recoil and shoots a lot easier for some people. The 45ACP is also favored for its high transfer of energy due to the weight of the projectile. As previously mentioned, it also punches bigger holes. People refer to the 45ACP as "pre-expanded".
#2 - what are a few good quiet handguns?
A long barreled 22 is your best bet if you aren't using a supressor. I think Ruger offers one with a 10" bull barrel.
#3 - any brand to look for or to avoid?
If you are in doubt, ask here. Take what some people say with a grain of salt but get feedback on each one you are considering. Definately avoid Jennings and Bryco.
.40S&W is a higher velocity round, along with being smaller in diameter. It's largest common load is a 180 grain bullet where a 45ACP's largest common load is a 230 grain bullet. The 45ACP has a milder recoil and shoots a lot easier for some people. The 45ACP is also favored for its high transfer of energy due to the weight of the projectile. As previously mentioned, it also punches bigger holes. People refer to the 45ACP as "pre-expanded".
#2 - what are a few good quiet handguns?
A long barreled 22 is your best bet if you aren't using a supressor. I think Ruger offers one with a 10" bull barrel.
#3 - any brand to look for or to avoid?
If you are in doubt, ask here. Take what some people say with a grain of salt but get feedback on each one you are considering. Definately avoid Jennings and Bryco.
2) In relative terms quieter handguns are the ones that operate at lower pressures. Examples are .22, .38 Spl., and .45 ACP. Combine these calibers with a long barrel and that is as good as you are going to do. They will still ring your ears if you don't use hearing protection but are much better than a .357 magnum, for example, in this regard.