Both guns were in the $700 range, a bit more after shipping. I cleaned and oiled the commander tonite. If it has evver been shot there is absolutely no evidence of it, Not a scratch on the breechface or a mark on the magazines. That will change soon, I promise. Already found a deal on a 7" barrel for the 41. It has a weaver base on it and I will scope it to have both a 5" plinker and a 7" target gun.