Tunnel weapons?
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A reliable submachine gun, preferably single-hand capable, such as MP5K, UZI, MAC10.
MAGLITE (night-vision would be nice too).
A reliable pistol, preferably high-cap, eg. Glock 17.
Level II or IIIA vest. Any lighter means no protection, any heavier means too much loss of movement.
A good multi-tool. A Swiss Army Knife or a Leatherman.
Of course, I'm assuming that I am working in a team of three or four others.
MAGLITE (night-vision would be nice too).
A reliable pistol, preferably high-cap, eg. Glock 17.
Level II or IIIA vest. Any lighter means no protection, any heavier means too much loss of movement.
A good multi-tool. A Swiss Army Knife or a Leatherman.
Of course, I'm assuming that I am working in a team of three or four others.
MP5 (whichever the model number is for the 10mm) silenced with a good tac light and laser
Glock 20 also with a good weapon light
K9 - he'll find defenders unerringly and if booby traps seem unlikely (or is that likely?), send in the dog first!
Body armor is a great idea, but I want level III+ armor and helmet. They will be using rifles to defend and II and IIIA won't do much...
Several companions armed similarly and/or with flamethrowers to light up dark spots!
A couple cases of grenades and flashbangs each - use one around every corner!
Yep, I'm a little cautious, must be why they don't want me for this job...
Hey wait a minute - I thought we were using those big midair burst bombs to search the caves with. If it works, why fix it?
Glock 20 also with a good weapon light
K9 - he'll find defenders unerringly and if booby traps seem unlikely (or is that likely?), send in the dog first!
Body armor is a great idea, but I want level III+ armor and helmet. They will be using rifles to defend and II and IIIA won't do much...
Several companions armed similarly and/or with flamethrowers to light up dark spots!
A couple cases of grenades and flashbangs each - use one around every corner!
Yep, I'm a little cautious, must be why they don't want me for this job...
Hey wait a minute - I thought we were using those big midair burst bombs to search the caves with. If it works, why fix it?
Fred Hansen
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Vx Gas
BIGSLOWHEAVY
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Geraldo! Think of him as a modern day canary.
I think if you must go in it's silenced subguns and pistols. Rocks and rifle rounds would be a little ricochet problem, grenades would damage the user almost as much as the target from contained blast pressure. NVGs with IR illum wouldn't hurt either.
From the sucess through superior engineering department I think of the VC tunnel problem. One solution that did not involve some hapless soldier with a pistol was to use a red devil blower and copious quanities of powdered CS. I know if the entrance sloped down and I didn't care about evidence I'd order up a tanker full of gasoline and open the taps. The flamethrower thing was I hope a joke, think user induced oxygen deprivation for all involved.
Then you could always send Rosie O in there. A few hours later all inside would either surrender or shoot themselves.
From the sucess through superior engineering department I think of the VC tunnel problem. One solution that did not involve some hapless soldier with a pistol was to use a red devil blower and copious quanities of powdered CS. I know if the entrance sloped down and I didn't care about evidence I'd order up a tanker full of gasoline and open the taps. The flamethrower thing was I hope a joke, think user induced oxygen deprivation for all involved.
Then you could always send Rosie O in there. A few hours later all inside would either surrender or shoot themselves.
The best serious idea is that of KSFreeman - send in the professionals with whatever toys they desire. I ain't going. Let 'im sing!But Rosie? Isn't that cruel and unusual?
Forget all that. WWII Earthquake bomb, slightly updated with Teflon exterior and modern metalurgy and explosives. If they could get 90 feet of penetration from a Lancaster bomber at 10,000 feet back then, I think we could find a way to carry one on a B-52 or C-5 and deliver it from a little higher up.
If we can't, we oughta quit.
BIGSLOWHEAVY
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Nuther one.
Radical militant "in your face" FemiNazi's armed only with a bullhorn. Their incoherent rantings would cause any taliban in the caves to turn their guns on themselves.
Also, my snow removal technique comes to mind. It's a WWII flamethrower.
Radical militant "in your face" FemiNazi's armed only with a bullhorn. Their incoherent rantings would cause any taliban in the caves to turn their guns on themselves.
Also, my snow removal technique comes to mind. It's a WWII flamethrower.
Double Naught Spy
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Just as a note, night vision isn't going to be much help in caves unless there is a light source of some sort, such is the IR lights that you can get for that purpose. The problem is that night vision doesn't actually allow you to see in the dark. What you may perceive while outside as dark is actually quite illuninated by moon and star light. Many nocturnal animals such as cats see quite well in the "dark," only it isn't all that dark for them. Night vision simply amplifies the light available. Inside a cave, after a few corners, there may be no ambient light to work with. That is why cavers don't bring along night vision gear.
I am not sure how great a flash bang would be in comparison to throwing a real grenade. If you are going to risk being close enough to through a grenade, why not make it one that will actually do harm to the enemy.
As far as grenades doing harm to the good guys as well as bad guys, caution must be used. As they discovered in WWII and in Nam, grenades can be used effectively in caves when there are major obstructions such as dual corners. In fact, the Cong specifically built such corners in to their cave system to shield occupants not in the immediate blast zone.
If one plans to go into a cave environment with noisy weapons, a definite piece of safety equipment needed would be muffs, ideally electronic muffs that would shield the wearer from hearing damage, yet allow the wearer to hear after the noise stops. Shooting in an indoor range with sound dampening materials on the walls is still much louder than shooting outside. Now imagine there being no sound dampening in a confined area composed of rock. Hearing damage would most certainly be a problem.
I am not sure how great a flash bang would be in comparison to throwing a real grenade. If you are going to risk being close enough to through a grenade, why not make it one that will actually do harm to the enemy.
As far as grenades doing harm to the good guys as well as bad guys, caution must be used. As they discovered in WWII and in Nam, grenades can be used effectively in caves when there are major obstructions such as dual corners. In fact, the Cong specifically built such corners in to their cave system to shield occupants not in the immediate blast zone.
If one plans to go into a cave environment with noisy weapons, a definite piece of safety equipment needed would be muffs, ideally electronic muffs that would shield the wearer from hearing damage, yet allow the wearer to hear after the noise stops. Shooting in an indoor range with sound dampening materials on the walls is still much louder than shooting outside. Now imagine there being no sound dampening in a confined area composed of rock. Hearing damage would most certainly be a problem.
LoneStranger
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Like I said in a previous post.
Go to Radio Shack and buy a bunch of those remote controlled small vehicles.
On half of them you mount a small camera and microphone. Send it in ahead of you to look and listen. ***Note that this allows you to keep your very delicate body out of harms way. ***
On the other half you can mount small fuel/air explosive devices.
If someone inside shoots or attacks bang their cage then send the next pair of robots in.
We are tool users so lets try using them. Remember, tools don't cry or bleed.
Go to Radio Shack and buy a bunch of those remote controlled small vehicles.
On half of them you mount a small camera and microphone. Send it in ahead of you to look and listen. ***Note that this allows you to keep your very delicate body out of harms way. ***
On the other half you can mount small fuel/air explosive devices.
If someone inside shoots or attacks bang their cage then send the next pair of robots in.
We are tool users so lets try using them. Remember, tools don't cry or bleed.
