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Suspicious Liquid Found at W.Va. Airport


A West Virginia airport terminal was evacuated Thursday after two bottles of liquid found in a woman's carry-on luggage twice tested positive for explosives residue, a Transportation Security Administration spokeswoman said.

Chemical tests later Thursday turned up no explosives in the bottles, said Capt. Jack Chambers, head of the State Police Special Operations unit. The airport was reopened after nearly 10 hours.

"It looks like there were four items containing liquids," said TSA spokeswoman Amy von Walter. A machine that security checkpoint screeners use to test for explosives registered positive results for two containers, and a canine team also got a positive hit, she said.

The TSA screening looks for a range of explosives residue, some of which can be found on common household items, said TSA spokesman Darrin Kayser.

Airport manager Larry Salyers said he was told the woman was a 28-year-old of Pakistani descent who had moved to Huntington from Jackson, Mich. He did not know how long she had lived in Huntington.

No charges were filed against the woman, who was taken from the airport by federal authorities at 5 p.m., Salyers said.

The woman was very cooperative, officials said.

Commercial airline service was suspended, and about 100 passengers and airport employees were ordered to leave the terminal, said Tri-State Airport Authority President Jim Booton.

Two airlines Comair and US Airways Express serve the airport.

A screener noticed a bottle in a woman's carry-on bag as she was going through security before her 9:15 a.m. flight to Charlotte, N.C., Booton said.

One bottle contained a gel-type facial cleanser, Killeen said.

"Anytime a prohibited item is brought to a checkpoint, then you are going to be immediately more interested in that bag," Kayser said.

The flight was allowed to leave for Charlotte, and the terminal was evacuated at 11:25 a.m., officials said.

The woman had purchased a one-way ticket to Detroit by way of Charlotte on Wednesday, Salyers said.

After the evacuation, many passengers decided to stay and wait it out.

"We bought them pizza, soft drinks ... tried to make them comfortable as could be in this situation," Salyers said. "We had them in the parking lot, under trees, in conference rooms, the firehouse."

U.S. authorities banned the carrying of liquids onto flights last week after British officials made arrests in an alleged plot to blow up U.S.-bound planes using explosives disguised as drinks and other common products.

Some travelers were more surprised than fearful about the discovery.

"This is such a small airport. I never imagined something like this happening here," said Shannon Bloss, who was traveling to Orlando, Fla., for a wedding.

Joy and John Cloutre of Ulysses, Ky., were waiting to begin the first leg of their trip to the southeast Asian country of Brunei when the evacuation order came.

Joy Cloutre told the Herald Dispatch of Huntington that her family didn't want her to leave because of terrorism in the region. "And then we don't even get out of Huntington without something like this happening."



SO WHAT WAS IT?
 
SOme liquid containers give off residue that reads as explosives in scanners. Hand lotion, some soaps and glycerin based personal lube also give off indicators for explosive material.

SW
 
Okay,
- the woman was carrying bottles of liquid and gel, despite the widespread knowledge (and SIGNS ALL OVER THE AIRPORTS) that you can't do that anymore

-the containers gave indication of contamination by explosives of some sort

- AND she is of Pakistani descent??


These coincidental factors don't raise eyebrows?


-azurefly
 
So...

the terminal was evacuated, and the airport was shut down for 10 hours!

Who says terrorists will ever have to blow up another airplane in order to seriously screw up our lives for evermore?

Given the fact that our authorities MUST investigate ALL findings like this one, with the kind of response detailed in this case, this is all that terrorists will ever have to do again!

Just find a simple, everyday material (glycerine was mentioned -- I use it to make bubble solution so I have a bottle of it under the sink), "contaminate" something in your baggage with it, and watch as the Feds swarm in to shut down JFK, O'Hare, Newark, Miami, LAX, or any airport of your choosing. And then, since you did nothing illegal, you won't even be charged! "How was I supposed to know that I couldn't fly with a bag that I had previously transported my innocent bottle of glycerine in?!" :confused:

:rolleyes:

Face it, folks. We're screwed.


P.S. Palm Beach County has announced that county courthouses from now on will forbid bringing outside food and drinks into the courthouse -- not because of the explosives risk, but because knives might conceivably be concealed inside a cup of coffee, etc. :rolleyes:

I say it once again, We Are Screwed.

Life cannot possibly ever return to normal from this point. The toothpaste is outta the tube forever, man.

The best we can do now is try to take some sort of sick, cynical satisfaction as we watch civilization rip itself apart.


-azurefly
 
Well, I took a two-ounce bottle of cream through security at a major airport today without any issues...just left it in my pocket when I took out all the metal. I never had to go near the big bomb-sniffy thing, nor did I see a single dog. Basically, I see no reason anybody couldn't sneak 8-16 ounces of any given gel, cream, or liquid onto a plane so long as neither the liquid or container sets off the metal detector...the only "perps" the TSA is going to catch at the moment are those that are dumb enough to accidentally leave something in their bag; you know, innocent people.

So, if keeping liquids, gels, and creams off of planes is so necessary for our safety, we're genuinely screwed. Because this, much like stupid gun laws, seems to be the kind of policy that will only be followed by those that follow the law anyway (a group that terrorists don't fit into). So all the BS is apparently for nothing. Except maybe a way for the TSA to justify some overtime.
 
From some limited experience with TSA, basically they follow the handouts.
Concerning raised eyebrows, not really.
Probably we're going to see more of these kind of incidents, simply because the level of intrusion has now become such, people are not yet fully aware that basic actions, are now considered potential threats.
On a few of the points raised...

A woman carrying bottles of, probably...gasp...hand cream and shampoo, so what?
Signs all over, do any of us really read every government regulation stuck all over our world. And what if one's tired, distracted, or semi-literate.
Pakistani, so anyone who looks outsider, is a menace? And exactly how many citizens of this country deserve to be viewed as threats, simply because they came here from someplace else. Or their parents or grandparents did so...

In a large city, or airport, none of these factors in and of themselves should raise eyebrows in the manner suggested.
If they do, we've lost the 'war on terror', because we've turned on ourselves. We will alienate large sections of our own populace, whether they be immigrants or native born children of immigrants.
What's next, a 'war on terror' brought to select neighborhoods, and people just because they might meet some vague suspect profile. Which is likely the only reason this woman may have been interdicted.
A very disturbing trend given what happened on the home front in ww-1, and two.

Plus with the amount of weaponry floating loose as a result of Iraq, and Lebanon, the hardcases probably won't need to be mixing sensitive compounds in the aircraft restroom. There are more direct and effective means they could use.


And ironic given some of the chest thumping on this and other forums a few years ago...yesterdays SHTF obsession could be viewed by some as todays 'terror' threat.
 
Because of the wide range of energetic materials and the many differences in their physical properties, several detection devices detect only certain types of explosives and fail to detect others. For example, many detection devices readily detect conventional explosives made of organic nitro and nitrate compounds, but fail to detect explosives made of inorganic nitrates or non-nitrogeneous compounds. In particular, many nitrogen-based detection devices fail to detect explosives such as ANFO (ammonium nitrate in fuel oil), Black Powder ("gun powder" formed from potassium nitrate, sulfur, and charcoal), and triacetone triperoxide (TATP). As a result, such explosives are sometimes referred to as "transparent."

TATP can be easily prepared in a basement lab using commercially available starting materials obtained from, e.g., hardware stores, pharmacies, and stores selling cosmetics. TATP is a fairly easy explosive to make, as far as explosives manufacturing goes. All it takes is acetone, hydrogen peroxide (3% medicinal peroxide is not concentrated enough), and a strong acid like hydrochloric or sulfuric acid. I don't recommended mixing up a batch for Independence Day celebrations because it's easy to blow yourself up when you make it.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/tatp.htm

Some gadgets don't work well in cold weather. Others are susceptible to dust and other forms of contamination. Many flash warnings when testing a person who has taken nitroglycerin (a medication for chest pain) or certain kinds of fertilizers and synthetic fragrances.

http://www.slate.com/id/2134394/
 
azurefly pretty well summed it up, we're screwed. More to the point, the terrorists won. You think they ever really wanted to "kill us all"? Nah, they just wanted a measure of control. To alter our society and lives. Well, they got the job done...
 
This story seems to have disappeared from the news sources. Whatever it was she was carrying - TSA did their job and found them.
 
As 2nd amendment has noted, to some degree we have been 'screwed'.
One of the unexpected consequences of our technology, combined with our current political situation,
is that we have found our perceptions of the world, being manipulated. And alas, it's not just our enemies
who are applying these manipulations.
Our leadership, be these Republicans or Democrats, have found that a atmosphere of fear, will be the most
effective way to promote their own agendas. Granted the attacks of 911, and the extremist Islamaloons,
started the situation, but within our own country others have used this to foster their own grabs for power.
It's interesting how a justifiable counterattack agaisnt an identifiable enemy, Al Queda, was translated into
a diffuse 'war on terror'. "Terror" is a usefully diffuse concept to provide a seeming rationale to virtually any
agenda. As a result, we've seen an ill advised extension of a war, premised on deliberately misleading
information. And any number of the liberties we are supposedly fighting to protect, agaisnt the now
undefinable 'enemy' have been undermined by the perception and acceptance of 'fear' as a motivation.
And because this use of 'fear' can be so easily extended, to fit virtually any agenda, what expectation can
there be that the excesses fostered by our own leadership, be remedied when it's all over. Because under
this set of parameters, resultant from this use of a ambiguous threat, it never will be over.
Weirdly enough, these applications of 'fear', and the attendant manipulations, will remain in place long after
the extremist Islamic groups have been defeated or made irrelevent by changed circumstances.

After all, once a society can be controlled to the point that a shampoo bottle, can be used as a means to
restrict movement or permit compromise of basic liberties...the leaders of that society have achieved a
social control which permits them to do virtually anything...
 
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