Trying to get 69gr Sierra TMKs to shoot 8"twist 22/250

Ironworker

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Loaded these bullet 015 and 007 and touching lands with 40.7 grs of Superformance in 22/250(New Nosler brass). They shot terrible )-: Sierra manual says IMR 4350 was their accuracy load. So why did I burn Superformance ? It was the fastest
 
With apologies to Nathan Bedford Forrest for butchering his quote, but fastest isn't always bestest. Try the recommended accuracy powder. And I wonder how IMR 4064 would work.
 
40.7 just may not be the load your rifle likes...I would test a range of charge weights (all at the same OAL, say .015-.020 off) and try to find a good one first. The 69 MK isn't usually real picky about seating depth but you can play with that after a promising load is found. I'm always willing to give up a little speed if it offers more accuracy.
 
Perform a ladder test and find out what load your rifle likes best. Shooting different loads will hone in on your barrel harmonics.
 
You work up the load or just pick it and hope? Like Ifishsum says, you need to find the load your rifle likes best.
And forget the 'off the lands' stuff until you do. Touching probably isn't optimum anyway, but the whole idea is an load tweaking technique done after you find the most accurate load.
 
Ironworker said:
Loaded these bullet 015 and 007 and touching lands…

Why would you believe that range would give you best results? Let me guess. Someone said it would. In the past "someone" has said 0.020" off the lands is best. Someone else has said 0.025". Someone else has said 0.030". And guess what. They were all correct—for their chamber and bullet.

Writing in the 1995 Precision Shooting Reloading Guide, the late Dan Hackett described having a 40X in 220 Swift that refused to shoot as well has he would like with the bullets 0.020" off the lands. He knew that 0.020" was best because, well, somebody said it was and everyone knew it. But he could never get 5-shot groups better than 3/8, and most of them were bigger, averaging about 1/2", and no adjustment he made to the powder charge would fix it. So, one day he was assembling his best load and switched to a Nosler Ballistic Tip which was 0.015" shorter and he changed his seating die micrometer seater because it needed to be seated 0.015" further out to be 0.020" off the lands, which he knew was best for the above mentioned reasons. But he accidentally turned the micrometer the wrong way, seating them 0.015" deeper. Since they were already that much too short, he actually backed them up a total of 0.030" from the desired distance so they were now 0.050" off the lands. He loaded 20 like that before he notices. He debated pulling them and re-seating them, but decided just to shoot them in practice. Good thing. They gave him two groups 1/4" across and two bugholes in the 1's (less than 0.2" across).

Berger has discovered that some rifles shoot their secant ogive VLD's best seated anywhere from touching the lands to as much as 0.150" off the lands.


Ironworker said:
… with 40.7 grs of Superformance

Why did you think that particular powder charge was going to give you best accuracy? Unless it produces a barrel time that synchronizes the bullet exit with your particular gun barrel's natural phase of best exit time, it won't. Normal procedure is to adjust charges in increments of about 0.7% to as much as 1%. About 0.3 grain steps for that powder in your gun. Dan Newberry describes it.

The main issue in all this is that both adjusting powder charge and seating depth affect barrel time. Powder affects it more, so you usually tune to best powder charge touching the lands, then start seating deeper as Berger describes (use 0.020" steps for shorter ogive bullets that aren't VLD's, like the Sierra) until it gets better. Retune the powder charge, as the best spot will have shifted a little, and then you can try finer adjustments to seating depth if you can see any difference. You are playing with two interacting variables, so the readjustment is inescapable.

Some powders just don't have a burn characteristic that ever likes a particular barrel or chamber. If that's the case, try Sierra's powder recommendation.
 
Thanks for the synopsis, Uncle Nick. Tells us a lot in a nut shell. Most of us probably want an instant solution to accurate loading. I have only had one load for one rifle that worked out like that. Plain old luck.
 
I found my Load with 22/250 and Sierra 69gr TMKs

Went out today with two powder load combos . IMR4166 and H4350 With H4350 35grs produced .650 5 shots compared to Superformance, this was promising 36.0 of same powder was .477 happy about that. But then I tried IMR 4166 30.5grs and I got a 3 shot 1/2 group then 31.5 produced .450 3 shot group hey I'm liking this . Next up was 32.5grs of 4166 and it produced a 4 shot .312 group best ever out of this rifle . I was considering doing my happy dance. But wait last powder charge combo was a maz charge of 4166 33.3 grs 4 shot Group opened up to little over 1 MOA. So guess I found my load,what a difference a change of powders make . Thanks Uncle Nick for posting
 
Glad it helped. Next try about 0.3 grains steps from 31.8 to 33.0 grains. This will help you find where the middle of the accuracy range is. You generally want to start out at the middle so you don't get a rude surprise when conditions change. It also gives you some wiggle room for charge weight and bullet and case and primer variation that may occur during loading. Once you have that, try Berger's method of finding a best seating depth. You might find you shrink the groups even further.
 
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