Trump - 2nd Amendment

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Supposedly he will champion.....

Ending Gun-Free Zones On Military Bases
National Concealed Carry Reciprocity
Legalizing Silencers
NICS Background Check Reform
Allow Importation of Collectable Historical Firearms
 
These are probably all possible given the Congress, and hopefully no nonsense like opening the machine gun registry or national open carry will be proposed by gun people.

That list and a Supreme Court that's strict constructionist is enough for the next couple of years, and more than we should expect.
 
Trump's campaign verbiage was quite strongly, clearly, and consistently pro 2A. Was this merely typical campaign bait-and-switch to reassure itchy folks like us and prevent us from voting Libertarian? Perhaps. Only time will tell.
 
I think he's a weak man who will reduce the power of his office. And I'm fine with a reduction of executive power, especially given the legislative situation.
 
No, not a financial interest. Simply put, opening the registry will allow the anti-gunners and their media stooges to scream about putting machine guns in schools and anywhere else. The public will be demagogued and every proposal will be killed as a result. Same with national open carry.

Pick your fights, then go ahead. The public would accept the list given. Beyond that, we're on thin ice with a polarized public. First rule of politics : Don't drink your own Kool-Aid. The left just got their heads handed to them for just that, and some on the right didn't learn the lesson, either.

The country did not just turn conservative and pro-gun. The mandate is limited and can disappear in days.
 
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I'm not sure why you would be opposed to this... financial interest?
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Pragmatism. Machine guns are still the third rail in the gun debate, and they will be for quite some time.

Let's not get ahead if ourselves on the issue. The current situation may present opportunities, but we need to push for things that are practical and feasible.
 
I would not spend the political effort to go after the Hughes Amendment. While I'd love to be able to get an MP5 for $2-3K, there are other things that I'd rather have, legally speaking. This particular fight is not an easily won fight, and we would lose the ability to wage more winnable ones by wasting time and effort on it.

Put it on the list, but get the lower-hanging fruit first!
 
The country did not just turn conservative and pro-gun. The mandate is limited and can disappear in days.
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This^^^

The rest of the post was spot on as well. I would say we have a majority who are pro-gun, in that an Australian style ban would forcefully opposed. Pro-gun doesn't mean to many what we think it means. Many "pro-gun" people would oppose gun purchase limits, an Australian ban, and even an AWB. They would likely be fine with UBCs, bans for the terror watch list, and other "milder" regulations. I don't think opening the machine gun registry would see a lot of support as it would be demagagued by the media. I would like to see suppressors and SBRs removed as class 3 items, but I think even this may create unwanted backlash.

While we have a window to score some victories, I believe it should be done in a judicious manner. Lifting the import ban, doing away with our ITAR compliance, and a few other less known issues likely wouldn't cause too much of a stink. I would like to see the administration and congress start with that, and go from there.
 
Oh, also could we end some of the silliness in gun regulations? Can we take the assinine 922r requirements away?!?! They have saved exactly zero lives, its just a regulation designed to hem up an honest man.
 
The country did not just turn conservative and pro-gun. The mandate is limited and can disappear in days.
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There wasn't much of a mandate at all. More people voted for Romney than Trump and nearly as many voted for McCain eight years ago.
 
I think it is important to recognize that this wasn't so much a Trump win, as a Hillary LOSS.

Trump didn't win so he could give us back all the rights that have been stolen from us over the last few decades. He won because more people felt Hillary would be worse!

Big media and her other supporters and true believers are falling all over themselves trying to figure out where they went so wrong, and most are still failing to recognize the fact that it was BOTH the message AND the delivery system (Hillary) that people found wanting.

Apparently, all they can see at the moment is that people who went to college voted their way, and those who didn't voted for Trump. Overly simplistic and not strictly true, but those things have never bothered their world view before...

Re-opening the machine gun registry would be RIGHT, but its not going to happen, and as mentioned, just the attempt to return to pre 86 status would be spun into the NRA issuing machineguns to toddlers, or worse...

We risk losing more than we could gain. This country runs by the numbers, and there are simply too many people who don't care or actively oppose the right of people that they do not control, to be armed, at all, and machineguns, of course, are the worst...in their view.

Short of a complete total ban, machineguns are already as restricted as they can get, which is why the gun banners don't bother to go after them as "evil" going after guns ordinary working class people can still buy, instead.

There is hope for a better tomorrow, again, but we're a long way from getting back things we lost, still. It might be the biggest help Trump can give is simply NOT to "help" at all. Right now, its way to soon to know.

The other side will automatically, and virulently oppose ANYTHING that comes from Trump, because it comes from Trump. Not actively opposing gun rights and otherwise staying out of the issue (for now, at least) might be the best thing for us. We should not get too enthusiastic until we actually do make some positive gains. We have a SLIM chance to do that under Trump. Under Hillary, we would have no such chance.
 
Put it on the list, but get the lower-hanging fruit first!
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I would employ yet another metaphor.

Hughes and AOW silencers would be a sort of dessert, but the main course of the underlying right is still being cooked.

I'd like to see a couple of Sup Ct justices and another case securing the individual right that is more than a 5-4 virtual non-precedent.
 
In 2010, Trump was in favor of the AWB and longer waiting periods.

After Sandy Hook, he stated that Obama spoke for him concerning the matter.

He only just recently agreed with Hilary that people on the No Fly List shouldn't be able to purchase firearms.

While he isn't an anti, he just isn't really into the 2nd Amendment. Anything more is simply a matter of political expediency.

I think the realistic best case scenario is Obama's executive orders being rolled back, and that's still up in the air.

I don't think the Hearing Protection Act passing is any more probable than reopening the MG registry for the exact same reasons.

His Supreme Court appointees will likely do more for the Second Amendment than he ever will.
 
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Apparently, all they can see at the moment is that people who went to college voted their way, and those who didn't voted for Trump. Overly simplistic and not strictly true, but those things have never bothered their world view before...
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Definitely not true. I know many people who went to college (and beyond) who voted for Trump. What the Ds fail to realize is that even college-educated people can smell a liar and a cheat from a considerable distance. What I find incomprehensible is how so many college-educated (as well as "uneducated") people could possibly have voted for HRC. It seems obvious that they weren't really voting for a candidate, they were voting for a position. Or a construct.
 
Politics has always been the art of compromise in this country. Our forefathers intended that. It seems that we no longer practice it, but swing back and forth between extremes on many issues. Or hopelessly deadlock.

As for the list..I didn't hear him promise all those things. But there were many promises which I don't believe will happen. I hope that 2 years from now we are happy with our president. Time will tell.
 
As for the list..I didn't hear him promise all those things. But there were many promises which I don't believe will happen
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Still so many unknowns it is hard to speculate exactly what he may or may not do. If you have continued to follow the news in the last few days you see he is already backing off of some campaign promises. However, at the end of the day we all know we are better off with this guy than we would have been with the other choice.
 
What I find incomprehensible is how so many college-educated (as well as "uneducated") people could possibly have voted for HRC
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Hillary and Obama both benefitted from what I call the "appearance vote". This could be considered an offshoot, or a result of "low information voters", not all of whom are "un/under educated, working class or poor schlubs. Some of them are middle and upper class, and some are quite well off.

They are single issue voters, but the important issue to them is not political (directly), its not what the candidates say they want to do that decides their vote, it is what the candidates physically look like.

People who voted for Obama, because he was black. People who voted for Hillary, because she is a woman. Beyond that, they didn't care.

There are more folks out there who vote like that than one would think.

I'm generally a single issue voter, and I've got no problem with others being so as well. However, I think that the single issue you use should be a real issue, not the race or gender of the candidates.
 
the important issue to them is not political (directly), its not what the candidates say they want to do that decides their vote, it is what the candidates physically look like
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I agree many people want diversity, but what they mean is diversity of appearance not diversity of thought. Also, I believe a growing number of people are influenced by Social Media and in turn what many celebrities have to say. Information is disseminated in a very rapid and brief format which many never question.
 
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