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John/az2

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From this thread in Legal and Political:
http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=29861

From Bladerunner:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Would be nice, but he can win without getting to extreme. Had a problem with the FBI, Sheriff Swat team, and BATF in 94. They tried to take all my weapons even though they had no warrant for my arrest, and they were not on their search warrant. Some friends and I physically stopped them. We did get in a tussle where two of them were tossed 12 feet down to the ground. They did want to retaliate, but more people outside and a few video cameras stopped them cold. Still have all my guns without firing a shot and no charges filed…J. I found them to be like cockroaches. Turn the lights on them and they run back to the holes they crawled out of. Just have to make sure you are in the right. If you are no amount of resistance is too much.
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Now, this got me thinking.

There must be 40-60 individuals in the higher populated metro. areas in each state that could respond in such a way. Those individuals would have the termerity to leave their work at a moments notice, drive to the scene of the act of tyranny and risk arrest to stop such action. They would have to be familiar with the laws that would govern the actions that they would respond to, and they would do so, at times, in a physical, but non-deadly way.

A phone tree. Notify all the gun dealers in the area that this support for them exists. When they get called out and served a warrant for a "compliancy" check, but begin to remove these dealers' inventory, the call could go out, and like lightning all the TRTSF team members are notified and on their way.

Cars parked in the lot could block any ATF vehicles from leaving as the situation is kept lawful (as per the laws now).

Something like this would have done a world of good for my friend who's place was raided October 25th of this year. They had the warrant for the books, NOT the guns.

I wonder how many have the cajones and the means to do such a thing. Maybe we, who believe enough, could start moving in that direction, eh?

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

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John, I think the answer is " if we exist and you know about us, we have to kill you"! These things are best not discussed in front of the lurkers! Great Idea though you'd have to be a lawyer specializing in various areas of laws. If you have an old pick-up that happens to stall in a driveway, S**t happens.
 
This is an ill conceived idea IMVHO. It presupposes that most ATF/FBI raids are illegal and inappropriate. This is, in fact, not the case.

While the 1/100 or 1/1000 which are wrong need to be challenged, you propose here moving on a moments' notice in response to a stranger's plea of abuse of power. Needless to say, you'll probably wind up on the short end of a very legal stick within about 2 "mobilizations".

In fact, a smart police agency, driven by political motives to make gun owners look bad, might even consider sucking you into defense of some dirt bag. If that happens they win Big Time. Inaction is not the answer....neither is impetuous action or public broadcast of your plan. ;)
YMMV
Rich

[This message has been edited by Rich Lucibella (edited October 30, 2000).]
 
Just kicking around an idea... Like I said, they would be well versed in the law, and if lawfully executed, would offer no resistance.

Consider the Boston Tea Party...

If this country was run as it should be, the people would hold the government accountable for its actions, not the other way around, such as it is now...

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

www.cphv.COM & www.handguncontrol.NET are being sued by Handgun Control, Inc.!

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Boston Tea Party was a completely different situation. Different to the point that refrencing it makes me wonder what the connection is.
The lone student standing in front of the line of tanks in China is one thing.
A group of gun owners blockading SWAT/ATF/FBI units... Thats a criminal charge waiting to happen.

While I agree with the need of actions.
You have to do so in a way that is a little more cautious.
I'll catch a lot of flak for saying that - but thats how I feel.

Now - a Boston Tea Party... That was conducted covertly... Materials were destroyed in protest.

"Obstructing Justice" is totally different. And any court that judges will you will see it as different too.

Becareful guys.

[This message has been edited by George Hill (edited October 30, 2000).]
 
How would justice be obstructed if the ATF is stopped from talking an entire inventory of guns when the search warrant only has the books listed? Did I say stop them from taking anything? No, just their unlawful confiscations.

Are we so far gone that there is no judge that would recognize this as being legitimate? If that's true, then we've lost already and we might as well roll over let them put the last link in the chain.

I don't see any difference between the Boston Tea Party and stopping unlawful activity by the uncontitutional agencies. Both are acts of tyranny.

What happened down in Texas in that county where the Sheriff was suspect of voter fraud? Didn't the citizenry take up arms and force the proper count of the vote? Were THEY acting unlawfully? Didn't they stand up to tyranny?

Hey, if enough people just don't care then this cause is lost. But, at the same time, if enough DO care and are willing to stand up to it, then the government does not have enough resources to cover their fat, wide, dimpled butt, and we will win.

Ultimately WE have the final say.

Maybe, this is not a battle to be fought at this time, but if we continue on this slippery slope, its day will come...

And Rich,

If the BATF is an uncontitutional agency, then 100% of their raids are illegal.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

www.cphv.COM & www.handguncontrol.NET are being sued by Handgun Control, Inc.!

See the "cease and desist" letter here: www.cphv.com/lawsuit.html

[This message has been edited by John/az2 (edited October 30, 2000).]
 
How would your group KNOW what the warrant said?

You'ld need a lot more insider info than I think you have. Like a very good friend in the judge's office.

I doubt the police teams would allow you to get near the search area let alone show you the actual or even a copy of the warrent.
Quite often they don't even show the person being searched the warrent.
All they get is "Shut up and get down!" and if the SWAT OFFICER is feeling friendly - the guy might even get a boot heel on the back of the neck.

John - I am with you in that something needs to be done.
I just dont think TRT is it.
 
they have to SERVE the warrant otherwise there is NO warrant.

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Dead [Black Ops]
 
Wait for Emerson v US. If it goes against us, I think some of the people on this board my be singing a different tune.
 
Gotta agree with the Administrators on this one! The fat lady would be singing before anyone got there and what if the guy was guilty? For those of you who don't know me I have a tendency to try and make a point in a farcical manner and sometimes I hit the target and sometimes miss it all together. I will say that I have one friend who is a WW11 Vet and just happens to be an FFL because I know him, if he called me this sob would be there and would do everthing within my power to protect him and his rights! John, use your talents with groups who protest things that need to be changed.
 
sumabich, you kind of hit the nail on the head, any action has to be LOCAL. That is where the best chances of getting the correct info will be. If we are a close knit group of people locally, people meaning pro gunners, we will know BS misinformation from the truth. That was why CAN was formed, and I remember the uproar it brought on this board. What we did accomplish is bring groups of people all over the country together locally and put faces to screen names. We regularly shoot together in IL now and if you can believe it one person of our group is a Sheriff's deputy. It's called getting involved and it does not mean that you need to take up arms in anger. Getting involved in local politics, and making our struggle known and educating the ignorant TV fed masses. Showing up in support for pro gun people, rewarding poiticians when they protect freedom and punishing them severely when they don't. In this fight knowledge is power and blowing away these anti-gun fools with shear facts can be quite fun. I wonder how this board views the TRT, has any of the above people even marched with the TRT?

A little rant.
 
To All:

I've read this thread with some interest. Since I'm actively involved with the Tyranny Response Team in Colorado, I'd like to address this matter while it's active.

First of all, I appreciate what John is suggesting. What I disagree with is the timing, rather than the intent. I do think that any such attempt to forestall armed law enforcement officers serving a warrant, would result in definite injuries, possible deaths, and a hugely damaging series of bad press for the TRT. This is not what we're about.

The goal of the Tyranny Response Team is to raise the price of tyranny rather than to combat it on the scene with force - which is what's essentially implied here.

There's a much better - more effective - far more frightening to the tyrants - and perfectly legal way to handle this sort of nasty warrant searches.

Is it a politically-motivated, poorly justified, and outrageously conducted search?

Is it tyranny?

Then here's a suggestion.

Who issued that warrant?

Find out where that judge lives. Find out where the district attorney lives.

Go to their homes...

...and protest on the public sidewalk outside!

This has been done by the anti-abortion folks, to physicians who provide abortions, for quite some time. The fact that the target of the protest is a public official should not entitle them to claim public property as a "no-speech zone" as the President's bodyguards did to us recently in Denver.

Check with a local attorney, and check with your local district attorney's office. Obviously, don't tell them you're planning on picketing the county judge. Ask for a written statement on what's permitted under your local law - and then make that tyrant, and his neighbors, aware that their acts are not tolerable to the citizens of this Republic.

All it takes, folks, is a couple people in TRT shirts and signs, walking up and down the sidewalk in front of the official's home.

The issue of obstruction of justice is avoided; the possibility of violence is eliminated, as is the opportunity for the law to descend upon you; and you'll really upset this tyrant.

Give it some thought.

If an anti-gun judge had two or three protesters in front of his house every weekend, don't you think he'd become absolutely enraged? And perhaps, just perhaps, respond in an illegal manner?

After all, it's their sense of powerful entitlement that causes much of this tyranny in the first place.

Be prepared for a legal challenge on the scene, from law enforcement. It would be a good idea to have a friendly, pro-RKBA attorney onsite with you to handle that. Absolutely stymies them, and frustrates them no end. Fills them with hate, rage, and fear.

And raises the price of tyranny.

Best regards,

Robert Teesdale
robert@teesdale.com
http://www.teesdale.com
 
Robert that is a great suggestion!!

GO TRT GO!!!!

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Thane (NRA GOA JPFO SAF CAN TRT)
Maryland Tyranny Response Team
www,trt-md.org


"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
 
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