Troy AR style pump rifle.

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Years ago, Remington sold the 7615 pump rifle in .223.
It was for the police market to augment the 870 pump shotgun.
This new one by Troy is supposed to be more like an AR and marketed for those unlucky folks who live in restricted areas of this country and others.
This American Rifleman article explains:
http://www.americanrifleman.org/art...troy-223-national-sporting-pump-action-rifle/
At around $1K it could be an attractive addition to those interested in ARs and even pump rifles of all stripes.
Eh??
Yes, No, Maybe??
 
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I've fired one. Pos IMO. Felt like a toy made out of the thinnest, cheapest material. Very crude. It didn't function, can't recall the accuracy but want anything to speak of. A friend bought one, initially I was interested since being in a state where ar's are now illegal, but after holding it quickly lost interest. Especially at 1k. Maybe $300 but not 1k.
 
Just re read my post, meant to say it did function. All other comments stand. I think I still have a piece of brass that was fired through. Can't explain it since I never disassembled it, but the entire case body has grooves on as if there were rifling in the chamber. If I have it I will post pics. To be clear, it functioned fine.
 
I have to think if there was a market for it we would still have the 7615 available. It is still listed in Remington's LE catalog. Of course what might have killed that is an MSRP of darn near $1000
 
What a piece of crap. The market is already flooded with semi-auto rifles that will not sell. Who could be that stupid or weird enough to drop a thousand on something like that? Oh well, there are still people sitting on tubs of Beanie Babies waiting for the "Right time to sell". Sorry if I offended any Beanie collectors here.
 
you said you have a piece of brass that looks like it has grooves in it from the pump AR. i wouldn't think it a stretch that maybe during pre-production testing, the action wasn't as smooth as they would like during extraction, and adding a fluted chamber would definetly aid in ease of extraction. not so good for a reloader, not the end of the world either, but if it's grooved in the chamber i am sure it was by design and for good reason. their are many guns with fluted chamber and it helps with reliability and extraction.

if i lived in an "no-AR" state, i would absolutely have one of these in my collection. i see no reason for one in states that have freedoms since it's accuracy wasn't exactly above par for a normal AR. i had heard that the accuracy should be better with no gas system afecting it's harmonics, but it appears standard AR accurate. NutnFancy likes it.
https://youtu.be/d8KMZpzNZQo
i don't agree with his claim that it's a half MOA rifle, i have read and seen dozens on reviews averaging about 1.1moa. maybe he got the special edition or he is really that much of a better shooter, but i don't like seeing 3 shot groups as an indicator for the MOA of a rifle, and none of his even 3 shot groups looked to be a half an inch. i could be wrong. but most claim it to be an MOA rifle, which is great, no complaining about that, but for over 1000$ an AR can and will do better in capable hand than 1 moa. Hopefull an actual owner can step in and set me straight. That being said, i would still gladly pay tht muh for a 1 moa AR type rifle in a compliance state, i see it to be a better battle rifle than a lever action which is about the only thing that comes close to rate of fire of this thing, that would be allowed in those states.
 
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It doesn't seem like such a big deal to replace the gas tube with OP rod and make the forearm alteration, certainly not $1000 worth. And it looks kind of clunky.

As far as accuracy, I know two guys with 7615's that shoot my 55 grain VMax/ Varget load for MOA or better for 5. That 7615 is a whole lot handier than this thing looks.

A pump rifle for $1000, 7615 first.

Serving a niche market for people who want something that looks like an AR when that look means nothing really.
 
Looks good to me. If I lived in a state with a lot of restrictions I would rather buy one of those than jump through all kinds of hoops with a regular AR, or live worried the boogeyman was gonna come count the evil pieces on my rifle.

I think I would probably get one of these before the semi auto ban beating crazy looking stocks for the AR.
 
the 7615 is cool and all, and I don't doubt your accuracy claims, one because I can't....ive never seen one. But it's also expensive, and some people that live in communist American states would like to have a fast shooting railed rifle that they can attach their doo-dads and EOtechs to, not to mention, I think the Troy looks like a comfy setup, pistol gripped, muzzle braked and adjustable stock that folds for portability. why does that seem clunkier than a pretty much standard shotgun setup without a grip?...not sure. but to each his own. they both seem like fine rifles, but some people would like the ability to customize w/o paying the smith for everything, and some people just want to be able to own an evil black rifle in the no-no states, I get it. I also get the 7615 if the accuracy I really what your saying it is, both seem like fine choices for someone to decide on. I am just glad that people have another option in the market whether it's superior or not.
 
Pretty cool, I like it. Wont buy one because I can have real AR's.
But I see nothing wrong with it. Other than price.
That will come down, As soon as all the Gota have it's buy. Then to get sales they will have too. AT $450 I might even buy one.
 
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