Trouble Sighting in 597 VTR

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Hi all, I'm new here but have lurked around off and on for a while. I just bought a new Remington 597 VTR ATACS .22 and am having an issue sighting it in. Initially I bought a $20 BSA red dot, sighted it in at a gun range at 50 yards and it was very accurate up close as well as to 100 yds if I held it a little high. Somehow in transit afterwards the sight popped off of the gun, and the mounting screws stripped when I tried to reinstall it. I figured enough with the cheapest of cheap and bought a Bushnell Trophy red dot at Cabelas on sale for $80. Today I went out in the yard to dial that in....

It took me no time to get it dialed in PERFECT at about 15 yards, it will snap toothpicks at that range. However, then I moved to like a 30-40 yard distance and it was shooting WAY high. Then I tried 5-7 yards and it was shooting WAY low. Put up some paper targets and measured just how far off it is and here's what I come up with:

5 Yards: 3'' Low

15 yards: Perfect

30 Yards: 4'' High

60 Yards: 8+'' High

100 Yards: ?? Couldn't find it.

I know about the arc of the bullet etc, but it wasn't like this with the BSA sight at all - and they are sitting at the same height. Am I missing something here? It seems to be installed correctly. This won't do as I like to go plinking in the woods, would hate to have to judge distances by that much for every shot. Thanks for the help!
 
Those numbers you posted don't really make that much sense to me, but I would recommend you try sighting it in for a little farther out. I like to sight mine in at 50 so at 25 and about 75 its right on and only a little high at 50 yards.

My thinking is we know the bullet is arching and following physics and gravity. The unknown here is the optic.. you gotta play with it and see how it responds to changes. At least that would paint a little more of the picture.

The other thought is possibly parallax. The difference between 5-7 yards and 100yards is brutal when it comes to adjusting scopes for parallax. I'm not sure if Red dots even have issues with parallax though.
 
you need to just start completely over, and sight in at where you want to be furthest. IMHO, it makes absolutely no sense and definitely is of no use, to sight in a 7 yds then try it at 50-75-100 yds. You could be in a different area code but hitting the 7 yd stick by virtue of simple luck.


I also was gonna say how that $20 red dot is not worth a damn but , you put that Bushnell on it, that's a decent sight you should get your moneys worth to 100 yds. Again, just scrap your system and start over. at LEAST you need to be 25 yds for your sighting in... and if you need to / want to you can basically cheat- Sight in somewhere between 1.5" inches and 2" inches high at 25yds to be pretty good on at 100 yds.


How do you like the 597 VTR ATACS, damn expensive right? That's I believe the top of the line 597 most expensive- over $600 bucks, mine was $199 lol. I have the Dick's Sporting Goods distributor exclusive model, Olive Drab Green synthetic stock with scope. Now I don't mean disrespect, I had/have no interest in the 597 VTR model, doesn't do it for me, I have a 'sporter' 597 with a lot of money put into it, but I bought a S&W M&P 15-22 for my AR fix.
But your ATACS VTR is very spiffy I will give you tha,t lets see some pics.



My 597 - with Volquartsen Edge Extractor & VQ Target Hammer ( you REALLY need to have these parts added) , QD Sling Studs and 1 1/2" Sling Swivels, silent sling, Winchester 9-13" Stud Bipod, Nikon ProStaff 4-12x40mm Nikoplex scope
 
Thanks for the replies!! I'll write more when I get back to my computer, on my phone for now... It just baffles me because I grew up with .22's in the woods with iron rights and/or cheap airgun scopes - they always hit dead nuts on from 5 feet out to 75 yards or so and then I had to hold a little high passed that. I'll be using the VTR in the woods up north for hunting squirrels and raccoons etc... So shots anywhere between 3 yards and 100 yards will be happening. With that cheap BSA sight I was consistently popping spent 12ga shells at 30-40 feet aiming dead center and was hitting just a couple inches low at 100yds - there were none of these issues that the bushnell is having...

What I'm wondering is if the bushnell sight isn't lined up at a different angle than the barrel of the gun... Say it's angled at a downward angle compared to the angle of the barrel. If this is the case, sighted in at 15 yards the sight is meeting the bullet right at that point where they intersect. This would explain why it's so crazy low at a closer range and so crazy high at a farther range. The entire sight isn't in line with the barrel, so it can only be dialed in for one specific range. Does this make any sense? Also, it doesn't look out of line to the eye, so how would I fix this? Or is it possible that this sight and my gun just will never get along? Thanks for the help, pics will come soon!
 
Go buy a sighting laser. I own one like this:

Bore sight

When the sun starts to go down, put the rifle on a rest and sight the scope to the dot at 100 yards. You will have to do some tiny adjustments after that, but I use mine on every gun I shoot.
 
I got the clearance deal on the gun at Cabelas for $279, and so far the gun itself is great. Came with a 10 and 30 round magazine as well.

Ok, so I did a little more work sighting in the gun, really stretching out my current yard to make it work. I got the gun hitting well at 50 yards, had to adjust the scope down about 2.5 full rotations of the the elevation screw. At 15 yards the bullet slams into the ground low, basically out of the sight picture of the Bushnell. It still shoots WAY high at 100 yards. Something isn't right here... Any other ideas?
 
This is not particularly hard. You have sighted in a bit too close and set your scope for way too much elevation, you're set high because it's well before the 1/2 point at your mid range trajectory and still rising through most of the range. Set the target @ 50yards, click it down 7-8" you should be about on, once set go back to 15-20. You should be about right, if that's where you want your poi, adjust accordingly.
 
"Is your scope parallel to your barrel?"

That's what I'm wondering... It looks to be, but how can I check this?

It's sighted in perfect at 50 yards right now. But at 15 yards the bullet strikes so low that it's out of the view of the sight when I'm shooting. It's a guessing game. At 100 yards I am shooting way high, too high to just be able to compensate for when I'm aiming. Something has to be wrong, I've shot many .22's and this has never happened - and it also wasn't the case with the same gun with a cheaper sight. Should I just try taking back the Bushnell and try something else? Thanks again for the help!
 
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