Trouble in the Commonwealth (PA "Smart Guns")

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I remember reading a while back about Ed Rendell and his 13 henchmen in the House proposing a bill (and it making it through committee) that would ban all handguns that did not have owner-specific "smart" technology. This would take effect 4 years after its passage. It also stated that you could not even own one if it didn't meet the requirements, and only protected ON duty LEO from prosecution if you shot in self defense.

Link to bill found here (PDF format.)

Now the question is...what happened to it? It left comittee around July of 2003, and I can't find any information on it after that. Anyone know whats going on?

Edit: I saw some posts on packing.org stating rumors saying the bill will have trouble in the house. I wish I saw some defineate info on its defeat.
 
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Just another of "Mario" (As in Mario Cuomo, late governor of NY) Rendell's attacks on gun owners in PA. He and a few Philadelphia democrat (and one republican) legislators have put forth a number of bills aimed at gun ownership.

If you think that bill was bad read this oneHB2403

In a nutshell, if you were in a "dating relationship" with someone and they file an order of protection against you, you have to turn your guns over to the sherrif for "storage" and he can charge you a fee for said storage!!

PA is pro gun, has a long tradition of smacking down anti gun legislation, in spite of what the bureaucrats in Harrisburg try to foist upon the commonwealth. (Like the illegal registry of handguns the state police keeps).

Most of the rural legislators aren't stupid enough to vote for this crap, and they control the house and senate.

What we really need is for all you NY and NJ gun owners to move to PA where you are at least treated like a citizen.
 
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raz-o, I just looked up HB1791. It was referred to the judiciary committee July 1 2003, has been there since then. :D
 
whoops, just looked it up quick and my brain translate jul-2003 to jun-04.

in the same place, better that it is there for a year than a day. Means it is basically dead.
 
I always thought PA was a pretty pro-gun state; what's up with this?

Philadelphia picks our governors and controls which presidential candidate we go for. Something like 97% percent turnout in some Philly precincts was recorded for the last gubenatorial race, a statistical impossibility. Massive motor-voter fraud, individuals being bussed to multiple voting sites to cast and recast their vote.

Philly politically is kind of like a banana republic with cheesesteaks and soft pretzels
 
I may retire to PA as it seems like a nice place to set up shop. It seems that even rural Dems do not support "gun control" in PA. Thank goodness that Philadelphia does not have the volume of people to bring about bad things. You should see what happens here in New York!
 
Last I had heard, this "smart guns" bill had been assigned to The House Judiciary Committee, where is seemingly had died.

For any Pennsylvania people who see this and or are interested in, spelled opposed to this sort of legislation, get on to your elected things about your concerns. Do not expect anyone else to do it for you, and I really do mean ANYONE ELSE.

Tamara:

PA tends to be pro-gun, though there certainly have been and are some problems. As for this legislation, and it's sponsors, they are Rendell's Yes Men, though Dan Frankel, from Pittsburgh has always been anti gun.
 
When I voted last election in my township, they checked my drivers license supposedly to prevent fraud.

I hope they do that in Philly but I suspect the machine has found a way around that.
 
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I personally think Rendell is just making noise. He might be on the list of VP Candidates in 04 and 08.

Pennsylvania really does suffer from the hunters that fence sit. Philly turn out is usually high and its hard to get lazy people out to vote. If they pass laws like this I'm sure there willl be a tremendous backlash. The thing that really disturbed me about Rendell last year was the fact that he was invited to the Grand Opening of Cabela's. Why?????


P.S. Is anyone hearing about the raid last week or the stuff that was found yesterday? The number of Al Qaeda people arrested in Philadelphia in the last year is also disturbing. :eek: I'm wondering why this stuff isn't making the national news? It was the third time something happened in Philadelphia that didn't go National.
 
Jamie Young:

Re the raids you mentioned, so far as I've seen/heard/read, neither of the local papers in Pittsburgh Tribune Review and Post-Gazette have the uttered the proverbial peep, though it is possible that I missed something of interest. Professor William Tonso, University of Indiana, once wrote about media being "gate keepers", he wasn't being complimentary re what he had to say about media either, however they do get to pick that which they want to call attention to, or what they wish to "cover".

As to what you so politely described as "those fence sitting hunters", I often wonder as to exactly what it might take to awaken these people, our brother and sister gun owners. Despite the fact that the anti gunners have plainly told all who would listen, again and again, that their ultimate goals are THE TOTAL PROSCRIPTION OF FIREARMS, these people simply do not seem to get it. I wonder why?

For instance, how often have you heard, from trap and or skeet shooters, about how "they will never bother my shotguns", whilst at the same time these horses hind ends denigrate rifle shooters, and pistol shooters, and let's not even get anywhere close to what these idiots have to say about those who choose to actually carry concealed arms, being licensed to so do. Then there is the drivel about how "nobody needs those assault weapons", or some similar version of this ridiculous pap.

It goes on and on, and personally speaking, I find it difficult to, at times, when I hear such idiocy, keep from telling these clowns off. I usually decide that they simply aren't worth the effort, and simply go out and, to the best of my ability, do what I believe needs to be done.

By the way, as to the "backlash" that you predict, I would not hold my breath, for these do nothings might well conclude that "they, whomever they might be, must know what they are doing", and or that it must be "for our own good", or better yet, that "they are doing it for the children". I suppose that one might conclude that some people simply are undeserving of freedom, but then such conclusions are not without problems of their own.

Coming to the end of this particular rant, you might, somewhere along the line, have heard the following: That gun owners tend to be their own, worst enemies. There might well be more truth that one would care to admit in that old saw.
 
Re the raids you mentioned, so far as I've seen/heard/read, neither of the local papers in Pittsburgh Tribune Review and Post-Gazette have the uttered the proverbial peep, though it is possible that I missed something of interest.


Sorry I missed this......... I didn't get a notification email.


There was a raid with 100 FBI agents at a Mosque that busted an Al Qaeda cell that went from Philadelphia to Oregon. A head Cleric at the Mosque was part of it. Lots of other things going over the police scanners that are far worse. Lots of things have been muffled coming out of Philly. Even the Mayors FBI bug investigation has been muffled. There are apparently 60 or more charges against people in the administration involving drug dealing and a Muslem Cleric. The Mayor hasn't been charged but people all around him have.

I have no idea why that didn't go national.
 
Jamie Young offered:

There was a raid with 100 FBI agents at a Mosque that busted an Al Qaeda cell that went from Philadelphia to Oregon. A head Cleric at the Mosque was part of it. Lots of other things going over the police scanners that are far worse. Lots of things have been muffled coming out of Philly. Even the Mayors FBI bug investigation has been muffled. There are apparently 60 or more charges against people in the administration involving drug dealing and a Muslem Cleric. The Mayor hasn't been charged but people all around him have.

I have no idea why that didn't go national.



As to why this didn't "go national", the following is simply a guess, if you will, one that comes from a suspicious minded old man. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mayor of Philadelphia a "dark skinned gentleman".

Like I said, the above is just a guess, and I might well be all wet. Let me know though.
 
As to why this didn't "go national", the following is simply a guess, if you will, one that comes from a suspicious minded old man. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mayor of Philadelphia a "dark skinned gentleman".

I don't get it. :confused:
 
As to why this didn't "go national", the following is simply a guess, if you will, one that comes from a suspicious minded old man. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mayor of Philadelphia a "dark skinned gentleman".

Yes but he has been cleared by the FBI.

It looks like some of the people around him were involved and one of them was funneling money into a not so nice organization (Al Qaeda).


Ed Rendell is a real threat to Gun owners if he goes National. Not the present Mayor, John Street.
 
Did not the FBI have a bug in Mayor Streets office. Seems that was in the national news last year.

Did they ever decide on a new slogan for the state?

I kinda liked "We're not New Jersey"
 
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