Triton .357 Sig Collapsed Bullet .. What's Up?

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Gary H

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I just spent a few minutes reading threads warning of increased pressure and KB due to bullet recession in Sig .357. I decided to take a look at my defense load. I had two boxes of Triton Quik-Shok 115 gr. .357 Sig. Six rounds had already been fired (at a target,..not B.G.) I have cycled a few rounds over the last couple of months and placed the ejected round back into mag, but I have only cycled a few and have never passed any of these rounds through the chamber twice. Upon inspection, I found two bullets had completely collapsed, with a large air space at the bullet/neck interface and two were substantially recessed. That scares the hell out of me! Is this a matter of poor quality control, or am I risking a KB using any factory ammo?
Gary
 
Gary,

I would suggest you take said ammo out of your gun, package it up, hopefully, in the original box.

First thing Monday morning give Triton a call 1-800-861-3362 (8:30-5:30 EST) and ask for Fernando. If he isn't available (out of town more then likely) talk to whomever answers the phone.

Explain what your problem is. My guess is they will want the lot# off of the box immediately and then have you return the ammo so they can look it over.

Whatever you do do NOT shoot this ammo until after you talk to Triton!

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Schmit
GySgt, USMC(Ret)
NRA Life, Lodge 1201-UOSSS
"Si vis Pacem Para Bellum"
 
Triton/Shinola/S@#$. All are in the same category (1 I wont buy, 2 I clean my shoes with, 3 I think you know) none of these will be fired through ANY of my weapons.
 
Fernando is a great guy and would be very concerned that his ammo has done this.
Give him a chance. He should treat you right.
I have talked to him a few times in person and find that he takes matters regarding his company product very seriously.
I have used Trition on several occasions - generally only in .40 caliber - with very good results.
 
Like George said... if you have a OC problem with Triton give Fernando a call. He wants to know where/if his product is deficient so he can take corrective measures. I've already given the phone number, it is even an 800 # so it won't cost anything.

If there is a problem and you don't bring it to his attention that makes you part of the solution... wait, if you are part of the solution and there is a problem... no... well, I think you know what I mean.
 
Talked to Triton and they tell me that they have never had a report of this happening. They are sending me Hi-Vel to replace the Quik-Shok, which they say is out of stock???

Gary
 
Remember, the 357 SIG hasn't been out very long. The ammo factories are just now starting to get it together. Nothing like being a pioneer.

I would suggest going with the ammo companies that are gluing the bullet into place so bullet setback will not occur. If you aren't sure, call them. Always test them.

The only other way to be completely sure that a 357 SIG bullet will not have bullet setback, is to use a light cannelure and use an RCBS roll crimp.

I know Federal states that the 357 SIG head spaces on the case mouth. But, experience with various pistols and ammo shows that it head spaces on the shoulder, although the length of the case is still important.

There is an excellent pointer to a headspace article at the bottom of the 357 SIG cuationary faq at www.greent.com in the Calibers section.

Bottom line: do the thumb pressure test on factory ammo. If you reload the same factory ammo into your gun regularly, use calipers to make sure they are still in spec.

With my Corbin cannelure tool, I can cannelure a bullet each 3 seconds or so. Maybe eventually, it will be possible to buy 357 SIG cannelured bullets. After all, a larger cannelure tool can cannelure over a 100 bullets per minute or something like that.
 
We are addressing the problem with the 357 SIG and bullet set-back. If anyone has had a problem with our ammunition the best answer is to call us direct at 1-800-861-3362. It is hard to follow all the forums on the Internet to find out how our ammunitition is doing among the shooters. If someone has a problem the direct way to resolve it is to call the manufacturer, then go ahead and post all findings on the net.

Regarding the 357 SIG, depending on the barrel company you speak with you will hear either headspacing on the shoulder or case mouth. It makes life a little harder for the ammo makers.

Fernando Coelho
 
Mr. Coelho:

I received your replacement ammunition. It is clear to me that you are a hands on guy and I appreciate that. Your replacement ammunition was offered without hesitation. Thanks :) You stand behind your product. I will purchase Triton again once you solve this problem. I suspect that this issue extends to all those that fabricate .357 Sig. I would be very happy to hear what remedy has been enacted.
 
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Talked to Triton and they tell me that they have never had a report of this happening. They are sending me Hi-Vel to replace the Quik-Shok, which they say is out of stock???

That is a flat out lie as I told them of the problems I have had with their ammo. I like there ideas like quick shock but QT sucks.
PAT

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I intend to go into harms way.
 
355sigfan - The person you spoke with may not have known about the problem. It has not been something where many calls come in to Triton about it. The people in production and QC know about it and are addressing the problem. I'm sorry you weren't put through to someone who knew more.

Regarding Quik-Shok being out of stock, that is true. More is scheduled to be produced in June. Both the 115 and 135 grain weights will be available.

No one is trying to lie to you. There is nothing to gain in doing so.

Fernando
 
I have a box of 9mm Triton Quick Shoks that did the same thing!
( So, it is not just a .357 Sig problem.)

I have a whole box now of 9mm Quick Shoks that all sank way down into the brass. I alternated them into my chamber, one by one, as each one sank with each chambering. They noticably (to the naked eye) sank after even two regular chamberings. The OAL is now down to .98" on some of them! That should give you some idea of how much they sank (the shoulder is down to the rim of the case). Being that they are +p I will not risk firing them due to extreme chamber pressures that may now be produced.

I already emailed Fernando and have gotten no response. I suppose Iwill have to call (I would rather just email).

I have a ton of Triton ammo in my safe and I am hesitant to carry any of it now because I feel like every time I chamber a round I am throwing money down the toilet. I hate to just throw away expensive ammo like this after carrying it for a couple of days.

Anyway, I posted this because I just wanted to let you know that it is not just the .357 Sig that does this.

I am currently using Corbon .357 Sig because they GLUE the bullet into the case. I have had NO problems with sinking Corbon bullets even after several chamberings.
I have also had no problems with Speer Gold Dots in .357 Sig or any other caliber, FYI.
 
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