I bought quite a few new handguns during the last year, from six different manufacturers, and every one of them came with a trigger lock. So did two rifles I bought. I now have this bag of trigger locks. If I had kids running around the house, I might even be using some of them. Where's the issue here?
Trigger locks an issue?
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The problem I have with trigger locks is that like you I have no children and have a bag of locks that serve no purpose.
1)Locks add to the price, which is no real big deal.
2)a criminal will not wait for you to unlock it. This is a big deal.
3)I own a gun safe for what I don't use for self defense. A lock can be easily cut off if the gun was stolen. another waste, due to the false sense of security.
4)If you use a gun in self defense are now a criminal because you didn't have a lock on it?
5)Locks have been around for years and yes the manufactures include them in every sale now. Why would we want the government making a choice for you or me? Our needs and preferences are different. No one plan fits everyone yet that is what is being offered.
If a lock fits your needs by all means use it.
6) This is just another Anti-harassment. You make it inconvenient enough people will say why bother owning one. Human nature.
Sorry for the rant
1)Locks add to the price, which is no real big deal.
2)a criminal will not wait for you to unlock it. This is a big deal.
3)I own a gun safe for what I don't use for self defense. A lock can be easily cut off if the gun was stolen. another waste, due to the false sense of security.
4)If you use a gun in self defense are now a criminal because you didn't have a lock on it?
5)Locks have been around for years and yes the manufactures include them in every sale now. Why would we want the government making a choice for you or me? Our needs and preferences are different. No one plan fits everyone yet that is what is being offered.
If a lock fits your needs by all means use it.
6) This is just another Anti-harassment. You make it inconvenient enough people will say why bother owning one. Human nature.
Sorry for the rant
Ditto what The Chief says.
IMO, anti-gunners are not interested in trigger locks in order to keep children safe. They're actually interested in stigmatizing guns, in grossly overstating the risk of having guns in the home, and in making guns harder and harder to use for self-defense so that people will finally give up on owning them. Trigger locks are just a smokescreen.
Also, in its push for trigger locks the Administration is basically saying that parents can't be trusted to keep their own children safe--a deeply offensive message. The vast majority of gunowners have always kept loaded guns away from kids, with or without the use of trigger locks.
My $0.02.
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IMO, anti-gunners are not interested in trigger locks in order to keep children safe. They're actually interested in stigmatizing guns, in grossly overstating the risk of having guns in the home, and in making guns harder and harder to use for self-defense so that people will finally give up on owning them. Trigger locks are just a smokescreen.
Also, in its push for trigger locks the Administration is basically saying that parents can't be trusted to keep their own children safe--a deeply offensive message. The vast majority of gunowners have always kept loaded guns away from kids, with or without the use of trigger locks.
My $0.02.
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The vast, vast majority of people will judge a requirement that gun makers provide trigger locks with their products to be a perfectly reasonable safety step, and they will see opposition to such a requirement as either the worst kind of hysterical gun nut looniness or as just flat inexplicable. Does anyone seriously believe otherwise? We are in the political arena here, where emotion rules, not in some rarified debating society where things proceed according to logic and principle. The case against providing trigger locks simply can't be successfully made in this arena. Opposing a requirement that manufacturers toss in a trigger lock can only serve to further marginalize gun owners.
All the guns I bought within the past year or two have come with a trigger lock. The point is it is not a law, just a voluntary compromise that the manufacturers gave in to. Not a sole has bothere to point out that all new guns sold in the USA come with locks already. The kicker will be mandatory trigger lock usage, not supply.
This is leading precisely in the direction that Kanada went. Fisrst, require trigger locks be sold with guns. Second, require owners to keep the locks on their guns. Third, require gun owners keep their guns in a state authorized safe. Fourth, have the police conduct random inspections of your home to ensure you are storing your guns as they want. Fifth, prosecute innocent people who had guns stolen from their homes if those guns were subsequently used in a crime (10 year jail sentence). This is reality in Kanada and its what the traitors in Washington would like in the near future for us.
Piggy, that's my concern in a nutshell. At face value I have no problem with guns being supplied with trigger locks. But, using the incremental approach the anti's have always utilized, they'll wait until some kid is killed with an unlocked gun and say we need mandatory locking of guns. And then, as you say, mandatory safes. Since 80% or more of the guns are sold with locks right now, I think it's a stalking horse issue.
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How many negligent / unintended discharges will be caused by people placing trigger locks on loaded guns? How many of these ND's will injure/maim/kill, thus adding to the anti-civil-rights crowd's propoganda machine?
Nothing goes in my trigger guard but my finger, and that only when I intend to fire.
On a related topic, how many uninformed non-gun-owning people out there think that a trigger lock is something like a car ignition grafted onto a firearm? I know this sounds crazy, but some of the statements I've heard seem to imply that people think that such a device actually exists. We must remember that many have never had much exposure to firearms.
JimR
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Nothing goes in my trigger guard but my finger, and that only when I intend to fire.
On a related topic, how many uninformed non-gun-owning people out there think that a trigger lock is something like a car ignition grafted onto a firearm? I know this sounds crazy, but some of the statements I've heard seem to imply that people think that such a device actually exists. We must remember that many have never had much exposure to firearms.
JimR
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Found this on another Forum figured the Chief would get a kick out of it, kinda puts this whole trigger lock in perspective. picture is worth a thousand words right...
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...“ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” --Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
W]hereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.
---Richard Henry Lee, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788
Take care and God Bless, El Jefe
The ANTI-HCI Site!
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...“ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” --Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
W]hereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.
---Richard Henry Lee, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788
Take care and God Bless, El Jefe
The ANTI-HCI Site!
Just love it el jeffe. I need the laugh and yes a picture is worth a thousand words. Yes this is just a liberal smoke screen not to address the real issues.
Their end plan is total ban and confiscation and we are getting hearded in that direction.
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Their end plan is total ban and confiscation and we are getting hearded in that direction.
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Since all my guns are contained and secured in a gun safe, Every trigger lock that I recieve with a purchase that I have had to pay for and don't need Will be saved and packaged and sent to a deserving politico with a card telling them where to shove them
My thoughts on the subject
Happy shooting
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My thoughts on the subject
Happy shooting
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We preserve our freedoms by using four boxes: soap,ballot,jury, and cartridge.
Anonymous
Here's a TFL's page that does a good job with triggerlocks:
http://www.donath.org/Rants/OnTriggerLocks/
Especially nice is the animinated pic of the lock pressing the trigger.
http://www.donath.org/Rants/OnTriggerLocks/
Especially nice is the animinated pic of the lock pressing the trigger.