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lizziedog1

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What do you all prefer on multi-barrel shotguns, single or double triggers? What are the advantages of and disadvantages of each? On side-by-sides, I have always liked two triggers, I just think they look better on that type of shotgun. On Over/Unders, it doesn't matter to me. What matters to you guys? One or two?
 
One.

What's the purpose of having two barrels if you're going to have two triggers that will slow down your doubles? Double triggers have been out dated for some time. Of course, there's the nostalgia factor, and double triggers are cheaper to manufacture than doubles. They are popular on some entry level guns (and nostalgia customs). For comp guns, you won't find any double trigger guns with the exception of the cowboy stuff. Clay sports competitors want a gun that will give them the highest score and that excludes double trigger guns.
 
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[QUOTEtwo triggers that will slow down your doubles? ][/QUOTE]

What could possbily be the time difference between using two triggers and one? When you move your finger from one to the other, it doesn't have to move through a different zip code. In fact, you could pull both triggers at the same time, that would be two shots way faster then any single trigger shotgun could, even if it was a full-auto.
 
roy reali commented:
What could possbily be the time difference between using two triggers and one?
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If there wasn't a significant difference, then why was the single trigger developed? Think about it... The single trigger, at a preimum price, wouldn't have been a marketing success if there hadn't been a serious improvement in performance.
When you move your finger from one to the other, it doesn't have to move through a different zip code.
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You don't have to move your finger to a different zip code to consume time. And, properly positioning your finger on the second trigger consumes additional time.
In fact, you could pull both triggers at the same time, that would be two shots way faster then any single trigger shotgun could, even if it was a full-auto.
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Both triggers at the same time is over-kill for your first target and a miss for your second one. Also, most folks don't put two fingers on the triggers more than once.
 
I prefer single triggers as well -- and Zippy's perspective is right, in my opinon.

The slowness on double triggers - from my perspective - comes because you lose contact with the trigger and have to "find" the second one....where on a single trigger gun ....your finger should always feel the trigger - allow it to reset - but you still "feel" the trigger .... and you "pre-set" or "prep" the trigger prior to the 2nd shot.

Prepping a trigger / or trying to prep a trigger when you lose contact with the trigger - results in premature shots / or "slaps" that will get you in trouble....

Some guys shoot double triggers very well / and I think they're kind of fun once in a while ... but for serious competiton / its single triggers all the way. I want that trigger to feel / and break very consistently on my shotguns (same thing on Double Action / Single Action handguns where you have a 10 lb pull on the first shot / then a 4lb pull on the 2nd shot ...to me its a crazy system ...and it drives me nuts ) so I favor a 1911 in my handguns where the trigger is always the same / breaking at 3 1/2 lbs all the time ...and I never lose contact with the trigger - and I prep it before every shot).

I try to shoot my O/U's the same way - Prep the trigger ( remove any slack ) - Fire - reset(without the finger losing contact with the trigger) - and Prep again for the 2nd shot...and Fire. I can't duplicate the control and smoothness of that process with a double trigger.

I'm not a serious competition shooter like Zippy ...and maybe he manipulates his shotgun triggers a little differently ...but this process is what works for me / and his Perazzi's probably have better triggers than my Browning O/U's too ...
 
For a serious competition gun, the single trigger wins hands down as you know ahead of time what your targets are going and which barrel you'll be firing first. HOWEVER, on a field gun, especially a lithe SxS for the uplands, give me two triggers - instant choke selection when you don't know what that wily rooster or chukar is going to do. Even if one trigger takes a digger, you still have the ability to use the other one
 
Pulling both triggers / or forcing the gun to "double" is just going to develop into a nasty flinch .... and doing the math ...

a 1 oz load in an 8 lb gun at 1200 fps - gives you about 17 Ft Lbs of recoil
and if you trigger a 2oz load ( at 1200 fps ) in the same gun the recoil goes up to 54.66 Ft Lbs ... / so go see your Dentist after you double a gun a few times ...he can repair those broken teeth ...
 
I respect OneOunces opinion ....but a "selective barrel switch" on an O/U ---at least on my Brownings -- where it is right on top - and my thumb reaches it easily (its the same switch as the safety on my guns ) / only takes me a second to switch barrels ...if I really want to on an O/U with a single trigger.

OneOunce is probably faster on his double triggers - than I am using the selector switch .... but using the selector switch is better for me / because it means I'm shooting the same gun / with the same handling characteristics in the field / that I do at Skeet or Sporting Clays ...where admittedly, I don't switch the barrels, because I know where the targets are coming from ....but for me, I use the same guns in the Field as on the clay fields ( but I'm probably more of a one trick pony ) than OneOunce is ...
 
Jim - I'll tell you that my first SxS had a single trigger - but it was non-selective so I just pulled twice. On my O/U with selective triggers, unless the bird is holding very tight while the dog is on point, I have NEVER been able to keep my focus on the bird, and then look away to make sure I switched the trigger and didn't put the safety on by accident, then get back on a wild, flushing chukar, quail or pheasant - which is why I went for the DT on the S&W Elite Gold - I can move that finger back and forth without thinking very quickly.
 
Jim - It seems our friend, 1-oz is a nostalgia shooter. Sales indicate that most folks are like us, and prefer the thumb selector. But, none of the world's better custom gun makers would balk for an instant if you ordered a luxury custom SxS with double triggers.

If 1-oz and others are happier with double triggers, then more power to them. I suspect some of it is what you are used to -- we don't have to look at the selector to verify its position anymore than 1-oz has to look at his trigger finger to see if it's positioned properly.

For the edification of the newer shooters, I trust we concur: With a double trigger gun, you are courting disaster if you try to use two fingers. As you said, your dentist can do tooth repair.
 
If you shot a double trigger gun enough to get used to it there is no time difference of any conseqence getting off the second shot. If there is maybe golf is your sport.
 
Yes, Zippy ---we concur ...

and I have no doubt experienced shooters of traditional SXS's like OneOunce and Oletymer can operate the double triggers without a problem ( but I still think - once in a while - that double trigger will bite you ...and you'll "slap at that 2nd trigger"......and flinch like a big dog ...( or at least I would ) ...

but I decided a long time ago ....to stick with what works best for me...and part of the issue on my "big paws" is there just isn't enough room in there for me to be able to manipulate those double triggers ( besides none of the SXS's under $30,000 are built to "Fit" me anyway )....and I'm too cheap to buy an Essencia ...

although I see this used one is only $ 25,000 ...
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/c...ieghoff essencia&cm_ite=netcon&rid=2146251080

although I notice Cabelas has three 28ga's and a .410 for sale ...they're everywhere .....


http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/common/search/search-results1.jsp?QueryText=essencia&sort=gl
 
With all kudos and respect to my friends Jim and Zippy..................

There is NO way when you are walking up birds...(NOT going over a tight-holding pointer), where you can select a trigger with your thumb versus pulling a trigger in an instant.........again, I'm NOT talking about competition where target flight lines are a known quantity, but that bird flushing at your feet and also at 40 yards - which to shoot first? Can you actually move that selector that first? I can't, compared to a DT.......if you can, your dexterity is WAY better than mine................
 
1-oz,
My friend, you've got a point there; but, I'd probably go to the wrong trigger anyway. Your example serves to further demonstrate the need for different guns for different shooting environments. I may try a double trigger the next time I'm apt to encounter a foot flushed fast flyer. However, with respect to the OP's question, I still prefer a single trigger in general and especially in my comp guns.
 
What do you all prefer on multi-barrel shotguns, single or double triggers? What are the advantages of and disadvantages of each?
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Don't care for two triggers personally, but since they work independently from one another, you'd have a "back up" if one fails. Don't know that it would be any serious advantage, since the one trigger systems seem to work fine. The best competition shooters in the world all use them.
 
1-oz,
My friend, you've got a point there; but, I'd probably go to the wrong trigger anyway. Your example serves to further demonstrate the need for different guns for different shooting environments. I may try a double trigger the next time I'm apt to encounter a foot flushed fast flyer. However, with respect to the OP's question, I still prefer a single trigger in general and especially in my comp guns
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in my comp guns

Key being COMP gun........and in that aspect I agree..........but for those wily upland rascals, give me the op to choose between close and far at the flick of a finger
 
Two triggers are very important. I also hunt Turkey with my double gun, under 35 yards use the front trigger with the modified choke. If the bird is from 35 to 50 yards use the full choked right barrel, back trigger if your cheek is on the stock and you are looking at the head you will have turkey in the fryer.
 
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