Travelling from a Legal carry to an illegal possesion? what would you do?

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hoosierboy

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I live in IN where I have a CHL and commonly go into Chicago where is illegal to own any firearms. What I usually do is carry a glock, because it is easy to disassemble. When I get to the state line, I disassemble it and lock up the grip and trigger and lock it in my glove box. I put my magazine under my seat, the spring in my ashtray, and the barrel in my pant pockets. The slide goes under my passenger seat.

The part most resembling the gun is locked up in my glove box and if pulled over I will refuse to open it unless they have a search warrant. I try to be discrete, but all the NRA, GOA, and SAF stickers, along with the gun control is using both hands sticker I stand out in Chicago like a sore thumb.

I am just wondering what others would do in my situation, or if they would handle it differently?



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"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."

--Ayn Rand, in "The Nature of Government"

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My personal opinion:

I have resolved to disobey any law that prohibits me from protecting myself. In that respect, I carry concealed often times out of state in states where my permit is not valid, or they do not allow it. Since I do not look suspicious or invite trouble, I have no problem with it. However, I do take a rather large risk and it is something that you should consider for yourself.

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I don't do business in non CCW states or cities. To hell with them. I'll take my money elsewhere.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hoosierboy:
...I try to be discrete, but all the NRA, GOA, and SAF stickers, along with the gun control is using both hands sticker I stand out in Chicago like a sore thumb...

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You're trying to be discrete? This is a joke, right? If you were a matador would you try to get the bull to ignore you by waving a cape in his face?

If you MUST go into Chicago, lose the stickers.

Living in Texas, the reason I don't put stickers on my car because isn't because I'm afraid of being harassed; I'm more concerned that such stickers advertise to bad guys that there might be something worth stealing inside.

And as far as self-defense goes here's my observation: if there's no LEO around to arrest a goblin for attacking you, then there's no LEO around to arrest you for defending yourself, either.
 
I do not put any stickers onmy car for that reason. Further, I avoid occupied territoris such as Chicago on the assumption that I am at a greater risk if I bring a gun and also if I don't...and the whole perception of being back inthe USSR would spoil the vacation or business trip.
 
One moment while I put on my asbestos suit...

I should start by saying that I never will knowingly commit a crime. That's not to say that I don't speed, etc., so please let's agree that we all know what I'm talking about.

I also live in Indiana and travel to states that don't allow CCW (Ohio regularly). I do what I have to in order to follow the laws there. If I don't want to abide by their laws, I don't go there.

It seems that my choice is clear: either violate the law and carry, stay within the law and go unarmed, or actively work to overturn unconstitutional laws. Guess which I chose?

Assuming that what Hoosierboy does is legal in Illinois, I'd agree with his actions, but definitely lose the stickers.

[This message has been edited by Cobra 4-6 (edited August 30, 2000).]
 
Cobra, you can follow immoral, unethical and stupid laws if you wish...I understand that not doing so carries a risk. But please don't imply it's immoral to break such laws (I don't know whether that was your intent or not) because the law is most assuredly NOT the final word in morality, and breaking the law doesn't make one immoral.
 
Rik - I re-read my post a couple of times, and nowhere do I speak of the morality of the laws, just the legality.

It's not the risk inherent in disobeying a law that bothers me; it's the fact that we are a nation of laws. If you want to disobey a law that is immoral and you feel that's where you must draw the line, do so openly. The idea of civil disobedience has a long and rich history in this country. As for me, I'll continue to work to change the laws in a manner I am comfortable with.

Just a minute while I pull this asbestos mask on...
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If you want to disobey a law that is immoral and you feel that's where you must draw the line, do so openly.[/quote]

If I had the guts to go to jail and a good chance of having my act of defiance noticed, I'd advocate doing that.

By the way, there's no reason that you can't disobey a law (discreetly) and work to change it.
 
>>Rik - I re-read my post a couple of times, and nowhere do I speak of the morality of the laws, just the legality.<<

Well, I said I didn't know if that was your intent. But your next paragraph makes it clear that it was.

>>It's not the risk inherent in disobeying a law that bothers me; it's the fact that we are a nation of laws. If you want to disobey a law that is immoral and you feel that's where you must draw the line, do so openly.<<

No. I will continue to do what I believe is right without maximizing the risk of bankrupting my family with legal fees and then leaving them without me for the several years I would be in jail. I take a relatively small risk of jail to make sure they are alive, as none of that matters if they and I are not alive.

>>The idea of civil disobedience has a long and rich history in this country. As for me, I'll continue to work to change the laws in a manner I am comfortable with.<<

And I will continue to ignore unethical, immoral and stupid laws in a manner with which I am comfortable.
 
If I normally carried a Glock and was going to Chicago I would get a 2nd gun to keep the Glock company :D

From what I understand about the laws in Chicago land even with the gun in pieces your breaking the law. And I would rather be busted for carrying a loaded gun than an unloaded gun. A loaded and ready weapon could at least be of some use.
 
I think you are making a mistake storing gun pieces in your glove compartment and pants pocket. Those are the first places that a cop would check if you were pulled over and searched, not for owning a gun, but for drugs etc.

I would just lock it up, unloaded in the trunk, magazine unloaded as well. Lock it in spare tire wheel well. You are more in danger of them searching for car for something unrelated to guns (drugs, booze) and having the police accidentially find your gun.

The thing to realize about Chicago (I lived downtown for a number of years) is that the police are busy with real crime and don't bother people who mind their own business. They almost never pull people over for speeding etc. on city streets. I doubt if any Chicago cop is going to take the time to read your bumper stickers. Of course if you're black or look like a gang banger it might be a different story.

Contrast this with the suburban police who don't have anything to do and will give you a ticket for going 1 mph over the limit.



[This message has been edited by Mr. Pub (edited August 31, 2000).]
 
thanks for all the info guys. Well I dont look liek a gangbanger I am white and don't really stick out. I have another car to drive, but there is nothing like driving my truck. I got to chicago to get our shops jewelry repaired and go to a heavily mexican neighborhood. It it pretty safe there and the owners of the store all own and carry guns even though they are illegal. I am just wondering if I did put it in the trunk can I refuse to open it if I was pulled over?

Anyone know?

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"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."

--Ayn Rand, in "The Nature of Government"

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Hoosierboy:

Just politely refuse to let them search your trunk! You don't have to answer any question a police officer asks you, except for two.

Your name

The location of your domicile

They can only require this info if they believe a crime has been committed, or will be committed.

Of course, you will run into a bucket of attitude when you refuse to answer questions, as most LEOs feel obligated to intimidate you when you don't obey obey obey.

Weimadog
 
Good Evening Everyone-

Hoosier, now, while I wouldn't know anything about the following techniques, my friends ;) have travelled throughout the country criss-crossing state lines with defensive handguns for their protection. Here's what they suggest:

<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI> Place loaded firearm in trunk.
<LI> Drive at the posted speed limit.
<LI> Possess D.L., insurance, and registration
<LI> Drive clean car without any bumper stickers, slogans, tinted windows, or references to ridiculous anti-establishment icons like The Grateful Dead.
<LI> Dress and comport yourself like a lady or gentleman at all times.
</UL>

Statistically speaking, you would really need to do something amazingly senseless in order to have an officer turn your car inside-out looking for firearms.

Keep the firearm in the trunk while you're on major highways. If you have to leave the highway or travel into potentially dangerous areas, move the sidearm into an unzippered dufflebag in the cabin of the vehicle. Place it under a sweatshirt or similar garment to keep the Sheeple calm.

Assuming you're a peaceful, conservative person who just wants to go about his or her business you'll have no difficulty.

If push comes to shove, you'll "show your hand" in terms of the firearm, but it sure does beat the alternative of going down for the Dirt Nap.

These friends of mine have made these suggestions to me for years, but I would never violate the rules of our country! You may feel otherwise.

YMMV and Good Luck,

~ Blue Jays ~
 
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