Traditions powder measure 5-45grain CAN IT BE CLOSED ALL THE WAY to 0 (zero) grains?

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Does anyone have this Traditions Powder Measure A1307 5 grain to 45 grain BP?

I just received my Lee Powder measure dipper kit but there are missing 0.4cc, 0.6cc and 0.2cc dippers which I Need.

So I figured the BP powder measure Traditions Powder Measure A1307 5 grain to 45 grain can be maybe closed completely so it can be adjusted down to 0.1cc as well.

{Edit: you need not only to credit the source but to get permission from that source. I didn't see any indication you got that.}

See as well Traditions Webpage: https://traditionsfirearms.com/product/revolver-powder-measure-a1307

My question is: Can this powder measure be CLOSED all the way down so it holds no powder?
If that can be done it would work as an viable powder measure by Volumen for smokeless pistol powder (inclusive the 1.9 grains for the 380 acp).

Any owners reply is much appreciated.
 
Don't know who made mine and I'm away from
home to check for a few more days.

I would just get it and be prepared to fasten a filler
plug to the stem (to fill the 5 grain space) if need be.

I would just make my own small volume dippers using a
.25 or .32 ACP case with a piece of copper wire
soldered around the extractor groove for a handle.
Then you simply file the case down to obtain the volume needed.

JT
 
I would be glad if you could check yours once you are home and get back to me.

It does not make sense to gather stuff you are not using. These Lee dippers are an excellent idea but are pretty much useless for me since they dont include the 0.4cc dipper and some others. That screws the whole thing up. Sad to realise.
 
I would be glad if you could check yours once you are home and get back to me.

As well I spent already much on reloading stuff and over here that is 2 to 3 times the price as in the USA. There is a huge demand for reloading but the governement restricts it.
 
Even thousands of an inch can make a difference. So I am not willing to use “fillers“ of any kind since a little unnoticed shift can throw off the volumen quiet a bit.
My homemade dippers I trimmed (with my new 200$ Lyman Accutrimmer which cost in the US 56$) a little bit to get even the mouth and immediatelly it changed volumen from 3.5 grain (before) to 3.3 grain after trimming.

It would work nicely if the Traditions powder measure could be adjusted all the way down to zero so that would be a good smokeless powder volumen measure for all pistol calibers.
Over an airtigth jar and funnel I could hold that Traditions measure and use it as volumetric manual powder measure (since I anyways do the powder manually due to the fact I scavenge shotshells for powder).
 
Man guys.

Nobody has/owns this one?

Just want to know if they can be closed all the way down to cero.
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I have three adjustable powder measures, 2 of them are 100+ years old for black powder that measure shot and powder. If I wanted to know the smallest measurement I would use a straight edge and feeler gage and there is the height gage. There is something about matter; it has weight and takes up space, if it does not take up space there is no weight.

With the rest of my powder measures, half of them are 45 years old, they work, and then there are my RCBS powder measures, all of my RCBS Uniflow measures are micro adjust because I measure the protruding stem from the body of the measure. I can not get zero because the bore is round and the drum is round but the adjuster head is flat. If the adjuster head matched the radius of the bore I would only have 2 settings for a 360° turn until I could back the adjuster out far enough to prevent contact with the housing.

F. Guffey
 
F Guffey,

I did not at all understand what you said.

I assume those powder measures are a round cylinder and within it the stem is round as well. Adjusting is done by pushing it in (less Volumen) and out (more Volumen).

What you are describing is all Kind of complicated stuff as if the powder measure is an complex automtic swiss watch.
 
I did not at all understand what you said.

I assume those powder measures are a round cylinder and within it the stem is round as well. Adjusting is done by pushing it in (less Volumen) and out (more Volumen).

What you are describing is all Kind of complicated stuff as if the powder measure is an complex automtic swiss watch.
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Thank you, and there there is a chance the user of the powder measure has shop skills and has knowledge of how things work. Again, matter has weight and takes up space. If we are talking about a column and the length of the column can be measured try to square the diameter then divide by .7854 and then figure the cubic inches of the column. And then there is going from cubic inches to cubic centimeters.

In my R. Lee book on modern reloading he claimed he had a regret, he went metric with cubic centimeters and the reloading world went to grains and preferred cubic inches.

F. Guffey
 
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I had the same problem with the Lee dipper set.

My solution was to take a .22 long rifle case, glue a handle to it, and then belt sand, grind, or file it down to the volume I wished it to contain.

Been years ago, but as I recall, I was trying to load Bullseye powder in a .32 S&W using 00 buckshot as a bullet.
 
CC's are a metric unit of liquid volume. They are not used for reloading anything. So you'll never need anything that measures 1/10th of a CC.
The BP powder measure does so in grains by volume for BP. Smokeless is measured in grains by mass so that Traditions powder measure is no good for smokeless powder.
Your Traditions Powder Measure A1307 is for revolvers and small-bore muzzleloaders only. Be very surprised if it does close to nothing. If it did, it'd be sold as a 0 to 45 grain measure. As daft as that sounds.
 
http://www.asknumbers.com/CubicCentimeterToLiter.aspx

I will not say these people do not have a clue but they have a chart that converts cm to leiters. there is something about the metric ruler reloaders do not understand.

We have a better system:eek:. we use gallons, quarts and pints, after that who knows, it could be truck full and or tanker full. and then we us inch, foot and yard then miles. After that we go onto weights, grains, ounces, pounds and tons.

and then there are other measurements like tensions, I have tension gages, problem my tension gages are marked off to read in pounds, others measure tension in tension. I do not have a conversion for pounds to tensions.

F. Guffey
 
It does not matter metric or imperial or whatever.

It is handled like this:
Preadjust the approximate Volumen and then fill the measure with smokeless, Level it off and weight that sample.
Adjust, fill, Level off and weight till reaching the desired weight.
Then lock the lock screw and preweight each time you are reloading to assure the measure did not disadjust.

It's completely safe like that.

I don't know why People are worrying about metric, imperial or any Volumen vs weight. Just know what you are doing.
 
T. O'Heir,

just because you aren't aware of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


T. O'Heir said:
CC's are a metric unit of liquid volume.
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A cc is just the volume of a cube one centimeter on each side. It doesn't matter what is in it. A centimeter is a length, not a liquid. I believe you are thinking of milliliters which are 0.001 liters and are the same volume as one cc. Liters were originally separately defined by the volume of water near freezing, then later, when it was figured out water was actually more dense at about 4°C, it was changed to that maximally dense water temperature under what were otherwise standard conditions. That was used until 1964. At that time, with a liter being found by more precise measuring than any they had in 1795, to be 1000.028 CC's, they decided to change the definition of a liter to 1000 cc's exactly, so now milliters and cc's are interchangeable and both may be used for anything dry or wet. Tradition has folks usually using liters for liquids out of habit, with syringe graduations being an exception. Metric measuring spoons for the kitchen are in cc's and are used for both dry and wet goods.


T. O'Heir said:
They are not used for reloading anything.
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Lee Precision powder measures and dippers have all been calibrated in cc's for decades and have loaded just about everything at one time or another. In Richard Lee's book, Modern Reloading, he explains this is done so Lee powder measure calibrations aren't arbitrary as they are in most other powder measures. Lee invented the VMD table (cc's per grain) for figuring out how many cc's to set his powder measures to or to select scoops to hit specific loads of specific powders.


T. O'Heir said:
So you'll never need anything that measures 1/10th of a CC.
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The Lee Perfect and Classic powder measures both are adjustable in 1/100 cc increments. That turns out to be the volume of about 0.15 grains of most rifle powders. So you need that precision level for the same reason you need 0.1 grain scale graduations.


T. O'Heir said:
The BP powder measure does so in grains by volume for BP. Smokeless is measured in grains by mass so that Traditions powder measure is no good for smokeless.
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That's like saying you can't measure flour in the same tablespoon you use to measure sugar because flour and sugar have different bulk densities. You just have to know the density difference to get the difference in weight. That's what those VMD tables are for: to let you figure how many cc's will give you how many grains of a particular powder.


T. O'Heir said:
If it did, it'd be sold as a 0 to 45 grain measure.
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Finally, something we can agree on. It wouldn't say 5 to 45 grains if it could measure 0-45 grains reliably. Marketers wouldn't give up that <5 grains range if they didn't have to.
 
If it really can't be closed to 0 (Zero) grains than it is worthless for me since all my pistol charges are below 5 grains.

But I look foreward to hear from one who has/owns actually that specific Traditions powder measure.
 
The units on that measure are for black powder. It does not translate to smokeless powder weights.

It is not going to through consistent small charges of smokeless powder.
 
I wonder why not consistent charges of sugar, salt, sand, BP and smokeless powder or even water, granulated aluminum even for crackheads and Pablo Escobar minded People cocain (or any other substance of uniform Granulation).

See UncleNicks post.\

The only inconsistency will be the bigger the mouth the more inconsistent. I wonder how much Diameter has the measure mouth.
 
I think he's referring to the graduations scribed on the bar being out of calibration with other types of powder. If they are in grains of black powder, which has a solid density (before it is broken in to grains) of about 1.7 g/cc, then they will throw a little lighter with smokeless powder, both because smokeless has a solid density of more like 1.6 g/cc and because of grain perforations and flake edges and other things only in smokeless that reduce its bulk density (density after being made into grains) more. But if you measure 5 on the scale, then measure your smokeless with it and get, say, 4.7 grains, you can use the ratio 4.7/5 to multiply your graduations by to get the settings for your smokeless powder.
 
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