Toy gun ban

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shooterdownunder

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That's it. I'm out of here. NSW has officially completely lost the plot.
A kid was seen with a toy AK-47 that you can buy in any Toys R Us and now the premier wants to ban all toy guns.

I've probably got about 150 toys from when i was a kid playing cops and robbers. Really hoping this falls through or they do a buyback. The state will go bankrupt trying to by back millions of harmless pieces of plastic
Toy gun laws: Sighting of boy with realistic fake prompts call to amend laws surrouding sale
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-surrouding-sale/story-fni0cx4q-1227392042991

Has any states in the US tried this?
 
There was a kid here in the States killed by a cop just recently because the kid was carrying a toy gun that looked real. With cops being on edge (usually justifiably from dealing with [some of the people] they have to deal with daily), seeing a kid pointing a real looking toy means they have to make a split second decision.

I'm not in favor of banning toy guns. Heaven forbid. However, forcing the manufacturers to make them "look" like toys (without the user being able to pull off that red muzzle cap) wouldn't be a terrible thing in my opinion.
 
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Yep. We have a federal statute requiring orange tips on the barrels of toy guns:

§272.3 Approved markings.
The following markings are approved by the Secretary of Commerce:

(a) A blaze orange (Fed-Std-595B 12199) or orange color brighter than that specified by the federal standard color number, solid plug permanently affixed to the muzzle end of the barrel as an integral part of the entire device and recessed no more than 6 millimeters from the muzzle end of the barrel.

(b) A blaze orange (Fed-Std-595B 12199) or orange color brighter than that specified by the Federal Standard color number, marking permanently affixed to the exterior surface of the barrel, covering the circumference of the barrel from the muzzle end for a depth of at least 6 millimeters.

(c) Construction of the device entirely of transparent or translucent materials which permits unmistakable observation of the device's complete contents.

(d) Coloration of the entire exterior surface of the device in white, bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright green, bright blue, bright pink, or bright purple, either singly or as the predominant color in combination with other colors in any pattern.
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New York goes a bit further in their color specifications, and there have been calls to ban them altogether.

(Also, moving this to L&CR.)
 
originally posted by shooterdownunder

Toy gun ban
That's it. I'm out of here.
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Where ya gonna move to ?!
Stay put and fight for our collective rights, which means even if we have to hold our noses write the check to the gun groups up in D.C. And Vote !
Which means even on the local level.

Vote these bums out. The truth of it is there is no other place in the world you could move too and even come close to the freedoms we all sometimes take for grated. In fact in most parts of the world you can't even own property unless you where born there.

And last but not least we have to exercise common sense and get educated on the matter and not run our collective mouths repeating crap that only fuels the anti-gunners. The gun hobby is secluded because of the noise and the danger and so a good many never see it let alone grow up around it, and so they are naturally afraid of it. They only view guns as killing machines.

Yet it is a hobby as well as a sport that has more members than all sports combined and is even recognized by the Olympics. Best thing we can all do is get people out to the ranges for a day of fun and piking. Forget about all the arm chair commando crap. Let's have some fun, but practice safety, which means we do not put an Unzi in the hands of a 10 year old from New Jersey visiting Arizona. With stupid parents thinking they have vacation in the old west. Let's not fuel the fear anymore than it's already hyped out here.
 
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The U.S.A is one of the few countries where private citizens can own fully automatic firearms. For anyone who may become hysterical over the fact that private citizens can own MGs, know that the crime rate with these guns is practically nonexistent: something like two crimes in 80+ years.

Just don't move to New Jersey. The whole state is known as the arm pit of the U.S. for good reason.

However, the Aussie food in America is not very authentic. Haha.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJwfyg27wHI
 
Well I'm trying to get to the US.
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You are not to bring the following with you:

  • any of the 2,463 species of venomous snakes that live there
  • those giant box jellyfish (meh, let Florida have 'em)
  • Yahoo Serious
  • that scary 7-foot-tall bald guy from Midnight Oil
  • Kylie Minogue

Also, tell Naomi Watts that I'm single.

It is taking longer to get citizenship here, but our residency requirements are easier than most other 1st-world countries. Once you've established resident alien (green card) status, you have pretty much the same gun rights as everyone else.
 
Tom Servo said:
any of the 2,463 species of venomous snakes that live there
those giant box jellyfish (meh, let Florida have 'em)
Yahoo Serious
that scary 7-foot-tall bald guy from Midnight Oil
Kylie Minogue

Also, tell Naomi Watts that I'm single.

It is taking longer to get citizenship here, but our residency requirements are easier than most other 1st-world countries. Once you've established resident alien (green card) status, you have pretty much the same gun rights as everyone else.
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Tom, I think you're a bit off on the number of venomous snakes we have but I agree wholeheartedly regarding Peter Garrett (the scary 7 foot bald guy) but can I please bring Kylie with me?

In all seriousness though, I am entering the DV lottery each year and am about a quarter of the way through saving for a E-5 visa
 
shootingdownunder said:
Has any states in the US tried this?
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In my state, it is illegal to:

(b) No person shall give, offer for sale or sell any facsimile of a firearm. The provisions of this subsection shall not apply to any facsimile of a firearm, which, because of its distinct color, exaggerated size or other design feature, cannot reasonably be perceived to be a real firearm.

(c) Except in self defense, no person shall carry, draw, exhibit or brandish a facsimile of a firearm or simulate a firearm in a threatening manner, with intent to frighten, vex or harass another person.

(d) No person shall draw, exhibit or brandish a facsimile of a firearm or simulate a firearm in the presence of a peace officer, firefighter, emergency medical technician or paramedic engaged in the performance of his duties knowing or having reason to know that such peace officer, firefighter, emergency medical technician or paramedic is engaged in the performance of his duties, with intent to impede such person in the performance of such duties.
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The definition of "facsimile firearm" from the same section of statute is:

"Facsimile of a firearm means (A) any nonfunctional imitation of an original firearm which was manufactured, designed and produced since 1898, or (B) any nonfunctional representation of a firearm other than an imitation of an original firearm, provided such representation could reasonably be perceived to be a real firearm. Such term does not include any look-a-like, nonfiring, collector replica of an antique firearm developed prior to 1898, or traditional BB or pellet-firing air gun that expels a metallic or paint-contained projectile through the force of air pressure.
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Note that it is illegal to give, sell, or offer for sale a facsmile firearm, but it is not illegal to possess one. (Just don't step outside your door with it.) Because of this law, I have had various on-line vendors decline to sell me non-firing replicas, blank firing replicas, and even inert "blue gun" training replicas. However, since it isn't against the law for me to possess any of the above, I can buy them in other states and just bring them home ... without breaking the law.

Parsing the definition of facsimile firearm and what the term does NOT include ... it would seem that BB guns and paintball guns are not covered, but airsoft guns are not excluded (the projectiles are neighter metallic nor paint).

I can't tell you if anyone has been arrested or prosecuted under this law, but I suspect probably it has happened in some of the larger cities in the state.
 
Aguila, Can I ask which state that is?

Here is it already illegal to possess an imitation firearm, however "childrens toys" were specifically exempted by legislation.
 
There was a kid here in the States killed by a cop just recently because the kid was carrying a toy gun that looked real. With cops being on edge (usually justifiably from dealing with [some of the people] they have to deal with daily), seeing a kid pointing a real looking toy means they have to make a split second decision.
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If you are talking about the boy in Cleveland, you triggered my pet peeve on its reporting. The gun was an air BB gun, which is NOT A TOY and not required to look like a toy, and it would be dangerous to do so. You must be 18 to purchase one, and 18 to buy BBs or Pellets. I get riled every time I hear it referred to as "a toy gun". It's clearly printed on every package "This is not a toy!"

Some of those things have more power than actual firearms. If an officer is being fired upon with an airgun that may cause serious injury, would he be justified in returning fire?
 
Many Australians (especially city dwellers) have become
extremely paranoid in regard to firearms of any kind, can remember years
ago when most city people loved to go shooting when visiting friends/relatives
in the bush, many now only want to talk about banning guns and hunting.
Looks like toy guns might their next target.
 
What a joke. When I was a kid, which was probably alot more recent than most on here since I am 27, my toy box was full of replica rifles and pistols with working actions. Even growing up in liberal MA I would run down the street with my steel and wood replica shotgun that had full working actions and nobody ever batted an eye. To show how much times have changed I remember getting a replica wood and steel rifle from Disney Land when I was about 5 years old, which is in California mind you, and carried it through the airport and flew back to Boston with it. I don't know whats more shocking nowadays, that you used to be able to buy replica rifles at Disney Land, or I was able to walk through an airport with it.
 
The US constitution protects our right to own firearms. It says nothing about any "right" to own toys. The antis and gun-banners stand a much stronger chance of getting a toy gun ban passed and upheld than a ban on the real thing.
 
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